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Just failed smog, only 7 HC from passing.

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Old Nov 27, 2004 | 03:37 PM
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setup: uninstalled turbo kit.
stock fuel system (xcept aem fpr, b&m fuel pres gauge, str fuel rail, walboro 255)
hi flow cat
stock header, greddy exhaust
msd sci box, msd blaster 3 coil
stock compression srp pistons, crower rods
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max/ave/meas
---------- HC--------------------- CO
15mph 92 / 21 /92--------- .55 / 0.06 / 0.40 <Pass>
25mph 57 / 13 / 64--------- .54 / 0.05 / 0.77 <Fail>

failed HC by 7 and CO by .23

timing at 16deg and 89 octane... help!!


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Old Nov 27, 2004 | 03:41 PM
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turn the dizzy
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Old Nov 27, 2004 | 03:47 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spoon_Honda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">turn the dizzy </TD></TR></TABLE>

Dang only by 7?

Try "HEET" from Pepboys or Autozone. "Guaranteed to pass"
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Old Nov 27, 2004 | 03:57 PM
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ill try gtp stuff, but i need to retest tomorrow... (so ill have to do an all nighter driving the gas out.) just to note: i had my fuel pressure to 32psi. damn... test only stations
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Old Nov 27, 2004 | 03:58 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spoon_Honda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">turn the dizzy </TD></TR></TABLE> which way?
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Old Nov 27, 2004 | 04:07 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jazz215 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> which way? </TD></TR></TABLE>

upwards, it retards the timing to a smaller degree, so that not as much fuel is burned and ****, and the emissions is lowered
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Old Nov 27, 2004 | 04:14 PM
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I thought HC was caused by un-burnt fuel? Ill try checking my plug gaps as well.
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Old Nov 27, 2004 | 04:21 PM
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ye wen u retard the timing, it will taking te timing down to below 16 degrees, proll like around 10 or less and then it should pass.

if not u gota retard it even more by pulling the dis and putting it in at a diff degree an retarding it more
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Old Nov 27, 2004 | 06:28 PM
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If you retard the timing more than 2 degrees past 16 you will definitely fail. Test only stations will check your timing and fail you on the spot.

Retarding it would mean more un-burnt fuel so why? Maybe tune it to 14BTDC but no less than that.
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Old Nov 27, 2004 | 08:41 PM
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What they mean is.........change your timing to make the car run leaner?
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Old Nov 27, 2004 | 11:41 PM
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Since he's only a single digit # away from passing, the solution would be to give it a little boost with the HEET stuff.
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Old Nov 28, 2004 | 12:37 AM
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im sorry.. but what is HEET? I didnt see it at pepboys... I did however put in the Guaranteed to Pass stuff... And just came back from a 6 hour drive to use up the tank of gas. I have just put in a fresh tank of gas, and swapped out the o2 sensor, rechecked plug gap to .43~.44. I have also changed the timing to 14deg. Hopefully that will do it.
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Old Nov 28, 2004 | 12:44 AM
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over inflate your tires..makes it so less tire is touching,which makes the engine work less,engine working less=engine giving off least amount of smog
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Old Nov 28, 2004 | 12:55 AM
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The full name is "ISO HEET" I'm not sure what it stands for. WALMART carries this because I saw it just the other day in the autocare section. My autozone in my area, carries it as well...


Over inflating your tires? Jeez
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Old Nov 28, 2004 | 09:14 AM
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good idea.... anything will help. going to inflate tires and go for the 15-20 min drive to heat up the cat. will post results later. thanks guys.
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Old Nov 28, 2004 | 09:26 AM
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what is your NOX numbers?
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Old Nov 28, 2004 | 11:04 AM
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my Nox numbers were very very low. They were safely below the average rating. need to run to my car to get the exact #'s
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Old Nov 28, 2004 | 11:26 AM
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i'm only a newb, but what about getting a better workign cat for smog checks instead of the hi-flow one?
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Old Nov 28, 2004 | 11:38 AM
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He said his Nox numbers are low so his cat is fine. Have you tried putting in new spark plugs?
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Old Nov 29, 2004 | 08:27 AM
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1st run

max/ave/meas
---------- HC--------------------- CO---------------------------NOx
15mph 92 / 21 /92--------- .55 / 0.06 / 0.40--------------------716/150/61 &lt;Pass&gt;
25mph 57 / 13 / 64--------- .54 / 0.05 / 0.77 &lt;Fail&gt;------------764/136/75 &lt;Fail&gt;

new results after GTP, new 02 sensor, turned fuel pressure down to 30psi, overinflate tires, and remove air filter

max/ave/meas
---------- HC--------------------- CO---------------------------NOx
15mph 92 / 21 /64--------- .55 / 0.06 / 0.13--------------------716/150/100 &lt;Pass&gt;
25mph 57 / 13 / 56--------- .54 / 0.05 / 0.16 &lt;Fail&gt;------------764/136/12 &lt;PASS&gt;


I barely beat the HC by 1 point. but dont know why my NO is 12? waay below the average.
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Old Nov 29, 2004 | 08:38 AM
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Nox is a funny thing.....probably has to do with the new O2?
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Old Nov 29, 2004 | 10:57 AM
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btw: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=701236

had lots of useful info! to bad i couldnt have found it earlier.
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Old Nov 29, 2004 | 11:00 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jazz215 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">btw: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=701236

had lots of useful info! to bad i couldnt have found it earlier.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Too bad I didn't see your post earlier. I would have tossed that up there.
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