SINGLE CAM -150 Shot, 10.3:1 Comp, Whos A Genius?
I originally put this in the Tech forum but feel this is a better place for it. I need some advise and jsut some general knowledge on how a few things work as far as management and my MSD BTM 6AL, SAFC
I dunno if you guys even recall my posts but I was recently deciding between a high comp nitrous setup or a mild boost setup. Well I went with the boost setup (10psi) and my motor took a **** after 6 weeks. So I tossed a zc in there to get me around for nwo, but now I wanna try the high comp nitrous route
If you dont have time to read nor help just quit now before you have to read this book Im about to write.
My Setup so far:
A6 Head: (all used 4k miles n/a)
Milled .040
3 angle valve job
ported n polished
Delta 272 cam
dual titanium valve springs
ferrerea retainers
1mm oversized titanium valves
AEM adjustable cam gear
A6 Block:
JE SRP 9.5:1 Pistons in an A6 (used 3k @ 12psi)
Eagle H Beams
New OEM rod bearings and rings
Micropolished. balnced A6 crank
Undecided on headgasket
Bolt Ons, misc setup
Venom Intake manifold
JG 64MM t/b
DSM 450cc injectors
Dc sport header
2.25" exhaust, cherry bomb muffler to side exit pasenger side (no cat)
BNM Fuel Pressure Regulator
Trannsmission:
Undecided clutch
Fidanza 8pound flywheel (FREE!!)
Engine Manegment/ Spark
OBDO ( hope to stay that way)
Have an ecu already shipped with TurboEdit (dunno how good TE is with nitrous)
Would an Safc II be usueable? (2 settings could be useable)
Pretty much undecided, keep in mind the DSM 450's
I have a wideband and a very shitty laptop so street tuning could possibly be an option?)
The Plan:
Obviously Im young and stupid, work full time supposed to be saving for school but this **** is just to much fun. The Crx is daily driven, so it has to have a somewhat reliable N/A setup that gets descent mileage. But I want to be able to go from that descent mileage N/A (that is still fun to beat on all motor) but be able to to a strip mode very quikc if I catch a run on the highway or at a stoplight.
I plan on running a huge shot of nitrous, maybe 150? Have to keep up with the modified mustangs and big ballas. I am limited to 93 octane gas though, maybe a mixture of xylene? Probably not cost effiecient for daily driven. Would most likely be a direct port, have to figure it out with fitment issues with the venom intake manifold.
An SAFC II has those 2 settings that you can store, I dont know much about these units but it seems like it would work managing the 450's daily driven, but dont they advance timing...? I dunno someone shed some light on that.
My buddy has an MSD unit of some sort, give me a day until I can get that, but Im hoping its the one where you just turn the **** and it automatically retards timing a few degrees, would be great for switching to nitrous mode on the fly correct?
I kind of went away form boost, not because it wasnt fun because it was, but I knew id just keep throwing money at this ****, I already was pricing out an Sc61 and some massive work.
With a direct port nitrous kit I could still have my fun on my own, has a little more sleeper effect.
This is all going to be done on a budget, dont have a set number but the cheaper the better, but I dont mind spending some pennies on something that will be really helpful
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This may sound retarded but I dont see why it wouldnt work, I just never thought about it. I think the 450's I have are not good, I never knew Direct Port put no extra load on the injectors, so Im thinking something like 310cc injectors would be more than enough for all motor, now I tune it n/a with an SAFC.
Ive got a wideband so tuning on the street would be fairly easy just by watching the a/f while getting on it and making adjustments then go again and keep lowerring the numbers on the SAFC until I get the 12:1 or whatever
Then when I spray the direct port 150, it automatically sprays the correct ammount fuel/nitrous through the hardlines.... right? How does it know how much, just the jets are good enough?
Now thats my plan, I dont see why an SAFC wont work, with 310cc injectors, I wouldnt be running like -35, -37 like people have to when running 450's for boost, Id be like -11 or something like that right? So it wouldnt **** with my timing.....? Correct?
For timing/spark, I have an MSD BTM 6AL, brand new. Anyone give me some ups and downs of this?
Yes Im stupid (for an 18 year old anyways) but Im trying to take all this **** in during the winter while I build my motor (amlost done , just need some gaskets)
I dunno what else to write, Ive got a need for speed and a love for the 1 cam. Throw any ideas and opinions you have at me.
Than
I dunno if you guys even recall my posts but I was recently deciding between a high comp nitrous setup or a mild boost setup. Well I went with the boost setup (10psi) and my motor took a **** after 6 weeks. So I tossed a zc in there to get me around for nwo, but now I wanna try the high comp nitrous route
If you dont have time to read nor help just quit now before you have to read this book Im about to write.
My Setup so far:
A6 Head: (all used 4k miles n/a)
Milled .040
3 angle valve job
ported n polished
Delta 272 cam
dual titanium valve springs
ferrerea retainers
1mm oversized titanium valves
AEM adjustable cam gear
A6 Block:
JE SRP 9.5:1 Pistons in an A6 (used 3k @ 12psi)
Eagle H Beams
New OEM rod bearings and rings
Micropolished. balnced A6 crank
Undecided on headgasket
Bolt Ons, misc setup
Venom Intake manifold
JG 64MM t/b
DSM 450cc injectors
Dc sport header
2.25" exhaust, cherry bomb muffler to side exit pasenger side (no cat)
BNM Fuel Pressure Regulator
Trannsmission:
Undecided clutch
Fidanza 8pound flywheel (FREE!!)
Engine Manegment/ Spark
OBDO ( hope to stay that way)
Have an ecu already shipped with TurboEdit (dunno how good TE is with nitrous)
Would an Safc II be usueable? (2 settings could be useable)
Pretty much undecided, keep in mind the DSM 450's
I have a wideband and a very shitty laptop so street tuning could possibly be an option?)
The Plan:
Obviously Im young and stupid, work full time supposed to be saving for school but this **** is just to much fun. The Crx is daily driven, so it has to have a somewhat reliable N/A setup that gets descent mileage. But I want to be able to go from that descent mileage N/A (that is still fun to beat on all motor) but be able to to a strip mode very quikc if I catch a run on the highway or at a stoplight.
I plan on running a huge shot of nitrous, maybe 150? Have to keep up with the modified mustangs and big ballas. I am limited to 93 octane gas though, maybe a mixture of xylene? Probably not cost effiecient for daily driven. Would most likely be a direct port, have to figure it out with fitment issues with the venom intake manifold.
An SAFC II has those 2 settings that you can store, I dont know much about these units but it seems like it would work managing the 450's daily driven, but dont they advance timing...? I dunno someone shed some light on that.
My buddy has an MSD unit of some sort, give me a day until I can get that, but Im hoping its the one where you just turn the **** and it automatically retards timing a few degrees, would be great for switching to nitrous mode on the fly correct?
I kind of went away form boost, not because it wasnt fun because it was, but I knew id just keep throwing money at this ****, I already was pricing out an Sc61 and some massive work.
With a direct port nitrous kit I could still have my fun on my own, has a little more sleeper effect.
This is all going to be done on a budget, dont have a set number but the cheaper the better, but I dont mind spending some pennies on something that will be really helpful
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
This may sound retarded but I dont see why it wouldnt work, I just never thought about it. I think the 450's I have are not good, I never knew Direct Port put no extra load on the injectors, so Im thinking something like 310cc injectors would be more than enough for all motor, now I tune it n/a with an SAFC.
Ive got a wideband so tuning on the street would be fairly easy just by watching the a/f while getting on it and making adjustments then go again and keep lowerring the numbers on the SAFC until I get the 12:1 or whatever
Then when I spray the direct port 150, it automatically sprays the correct ammount fuel/nitrous through the hardlines.... right? How does it know how much, just the jets are good enough?
Now thats my plan, I dont see why an SAFC wont work, with 310cc injectors, I wouldnt be running like -35, -37 like people have to when running 450's for boost, Id be like -11 or something like that right? So it wouldnt **** with my timing.....? Correct?
For timing/spark, I have an MSD BTM 6AL, brand new. Anyone give me some ups and downs of this?
Yes Im stupid (for an 18 year old anyways) but Im trying to take all this **** in during the winter while I build my motor (amlost done , just need some gaskets)
I dunno what else to write, Ive got a need for speed and a love for the 1 cam. Throw any ideas and opinions you have at me.
Than
I don't have much to add becuase i'm lazy. But if you want an OBD-0 plug and play engine management that has N20 control I'd look into a Zdyne. I've been running one for almost 3 years on my boosted CRX and I love it. http://www.zdyne.com. There's nothing wrong with turboedit or the grass roots EFI scene, by any means tho
do you really think your FWD honda/acura is gonna get ANY type of traction under the power of 150 shot...... do you have any idea what that feels like??? 100 was enough to spin my slicks well into 3rd on a prepped track, just imagine what it would do on your street tires
as for the NOS kit, you dont need bigger injectors for it. only what is required to power your set up, the kit provides it own fuel via jetting on the nozzles. i would recommed a fuel pump tho.
as for a BTM its not needed Nitrous isnt rated in boost. a 6a or 6al is great and yes the timing retard set up is very helpful on a itrous motor, your forged pistons are great for spray too, they will hold nicely
as for the NOS kit, you dont need bigger injectors for it. only what is required to power your set up, the kit provides it own fuel via jetting on the nozzles. i would recommed a fuel pump tho.
as for a BTM its not needed Nitrous isnt rated in boost. a 6a or 6al is great and yes the timing retard set up is very helpful on a itrous motor, your forged pistons are great for spray too, they will hold nicely
Well most of the people that I do find to race here, I easy would spank all motor, nobody has swaps except for the domestic guys. There isnt really an import scene in my town, just all show no go guys.
Most of the descent races Ive come across from on the highway so they were from 40-50 rolls
I know I wont use nitrous a **** load, jsut when I come across a Z06 or a porche or somebody I would love to embarass, wouldnt spray in first from a dig though. Running on Azenis
Zdyne costs a heap load of money, I can get an SAFC for $100, easily tune my n/a setup with it on probably 310cc injectors. Then Ill have the MSD for spark/timing correct?
How would the 6AL work on a nitrous setup since its not going per pound of boost and 150 shot is like 8degrees of timing retard right?
I dont know much, like I said Im fairly new to complicated setups, dont really know what the MSD is doing.
thanks for the input so far though
Most of the descent races Ive come across from on the highway so they were from 40-50 rolls
I know I wont use nitrous a **** load, jsut when I come across a Z06 or a porche or somebody I would love to embarass, wouldnt spray in first from a dig though. Running on Azenis
Zdyne costs a heap load of money, I can get an SAFC for $100, easily tune my n/a setup with it on probably 310cc injectors. Then Ill have the MSD for spark/timing correct?
How would the 6AL work on a nitrous setup since its not going per pound of boost and 150 shot is like 8degrees of timing retard right?
I dont know much, like I said Im fairly new to complicated setups, dont really know what the MSD is doing.
thanks for the input so far though
just use the msd with the **** that lets you go 15+ or 15-, either way, you can mount it in the car and can just rotate the **** depending on situation.
im still sure that a 150 shot from 40-50 on anything less than 16 inch drag radials will net you massive spin and probably lane shifting, and maybe an accident
im still sure that a 150 shot from 40-50 on anything less than 16 inch drag radials will net you massive spin and probably lane shifting, and maybe an accident
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