1MM...like $35 difference in price. noticable difference in performance or just the bling factor?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Stripped Si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1MM...like $35 difference in price. noticable difference in performance or just the bling factor? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Define "bling factor" for something you won't see unless you crawl under the car.

"Noticeable difference" for what purpose exactly?

And of course, you could search since this has been covered before.

 

that 1MM = ~19% increase in rear stiffness
As GreyTeg said, search for more

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=711060

 

[23 ^ 4] / [22 ^ 4] = 1.1946203004469564697696061062706 -1 = 0.1946 x 100 = 19.46%

And how the F@#% is a sway bar BLING????????!!!?!????

 

mine has 2 tizzite yellow lines y0!

 

By bling I meant like bragging rights sorta. Since the 23 is bigger than the 22...not like visible, but i guess shouldnt have used that.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pyromaster &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that 1MM = ~19% increase in rear stiffness
As GreyTeg said, search for more

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=711060 </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks for the link...this is what I got
"Your search for 22mm vs 23mm returned 177 results."

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">[23 ^ 4] / [22 ^ 4] = 1.1946203004469564697696061062706 -1 = 0.1946 x 100 = 19.46% </TD></TR></TABLE>

The 19 percent difference is what I was looking to find out. Curious though...where did that equation come from?

 

From: http://www.teamscr.com/sway.htm

There are two primary factors that determine an anti-sway bar’s torsional stiffness: the diameter of the bar and the length of the bar’s "moment arm" (more commonly known as the amount of leverage that the vehicle is able to apply against the twisting motion of the bar.)

Diameter is generally the easiest concept to grasp, as it is somewhat intuitive that a larger diameter bar would have greater torsional rigidity. Torsional (or twisting) motion of the bar is actually governed by the equation:

twist = (2 x torque x length)/(p x diam4 x material modulus)

And since "diameter" is in the denominator, as diameter gets larger, the amount of twist gets smaller. Which, in a nutshell, means that torsional rigidity is a function of the diameter to the fourth power! This is why a very small increase in diameter makes a large increase in torsional rigidity.

However, in addition to the diameter of a bar, there is another very important factor that determines an anti-sway bar’s torsional rigidity. This factor is known as the "length of the moment arm" – or in common terms, the amount of leverage between the vehicle and the bar.

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=100159

 

Thanks for the info

 

I have a JDM 23mm..and yup i can feel the difference

 

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if you have to ask this question, save your money

 

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twist = (2 x torque x length)/(p x diam4 x material modulus)
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Are you sure the material is the same?
I assume the Mugen sway bar is made with different steel. How do you know the JDM 23 mm en 22 mm are made from the same material?

 

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Its bling if it matches your purple LCA's

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Those guys drive saturns, they dont know chit

 

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LOL

 

didn't notice much with my JDM 23mm
USDM ITR 22mm should do the job as good yo

 

I don't believe 1mm of difference will create the euphoria and sensation of "knocking you off your socks". Money is better spent elsewhere.

 

CDN ITR brochure lists the rear sway at 22.1 mm

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DutchITR1689 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are you sure the material is the same?
I assume the Mugen sway bar is made with different steel. How do you know the JDM 23 mm en 22 mm are made from the same material?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I do not know for sure. If the materials are different, the equation is way beyond my capabilities to understand.

I've owned both the 23mm and 22m, they feel/look identical, and weight almost the same (the 23mm is heavier, but not by that much). Similarly, I've owned a 26mm, which is MUCH bigger and heavier, however the material on all three looks the same or very similar.

I think for a generalization of the change in stiffness, it is safe to assume they are the same.

However... it would be interesting to find out what, if any, the differences are.

 

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It is not meant to knock your socks off. It is meant to fine tune the balance of the car.

 

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I assume the Mugen sway bar is made with different steel. </TD></TR></TABLE>

That's a big assumption.

 

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It is not meant to knock your socks off. It is meant to fine tune the balance of the car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

keyword: balance the most important thing to well-built car and yea, like ppl have mentioned in this thread--torsional rigidity increases pretty dramatically with 1mm. but then again, it all depends on if you'll ever really feel that 1mm, not by bling for sure

 

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That's a big assumption.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I can say exactly the same for the opposite.....

 

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I agree. But I see the other side, too. But I'm betting two honda made sway bars, one 22mm and one 23mm for the SAME car are most likely the same.

Just a cursory look at them ... they look very similar. It's probably a big assumption that they are identical in construction (minus diameter) and material, too, but for the sake of a *reasonable* estimation of the change in rigidity..... have to assume a few things.

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It is not meant to knock your socks off. It is meant to fine tune the balance of the car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly. Well said.

 

23mm sux.

I'm dragging my 26mm out of the garage this weekend and putting that bitch on @ the track.

 

I picked up a 23mm today for $75 so its going on when I get my car back.