ITS ECU Chipping: Uberdata or Hondata
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ITS ECU Chipping: Uberdata or Hondata
The GSR will also need a "ECU tune up" and it looks as though I could buy the Hondata S100 system for ~300 bucks or I could use Uberdata and go at it that way. What have people used in the past and are there any preferences either way? It appears as though both systems pretty much control the important items like VTEC, ign maps, fuel maps, etc the only difference seems to be that uberdata has datalogging and Hondata does not. Does anyone datalog their race car safely?
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Re: ITS ECU Chipping: Uberdata or Hondata (VTECAcuraGSR)
Many series don't allow for data logging but since my car is worth a bit of money and I understand uberdata does'nt allow for over a certain RPM I would stick to hondata.
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Re: ITS ECU Chipping: Uberdata or Hondata (sans)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sans »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Many series don't allow for data logging but since my car is worth a bit of money and I understand uberdata does'nt allow for over a certain RPM I would stick to hondata.</TD></TR></TABLE>
what do you mean isn't allow for over a certian rpm??
what do you mean isn't allow for over a certian rpm??
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Re: ITS ECU Chipping: Uberdata or Hondata (sans)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sans »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I might be thinking of something else but I could have swore uberdata only allowed for 7800 rpm limit on tuning </TD></TR></TABLE>
no way higher than that!!
no way higher than that!!
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Re: ITS ECU Chipping: Uberdata or Hondata (chad)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chad »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
no way higher than that!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
I need to pay more attention sometimes but when fawkers talk about tuning there ecu without a dyno I sort of tune out
no way higher than that!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
I need to pay more attention sometimes but when fawkers talk about tuning there ecu without a dyno I sort of tune out
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Re: ITS ECU Chipping: Uberdata or Hondata (VTECAcuraGSR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTECAcuraGSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am baffled, by how few people apparently chip their ECU's... There are no opinions on this topic?</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's only been legal in IT for one or two seasons, so a lot of people haven't done it yet.
It's only been legal in IT for one or two seasons, so a lot of people haven't done it yet.
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Re: ITS ECU Chipping: Uberdata or Hondata (VTECAcuraGSR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTECAcuraGSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am baffled, by how few people apparently chip their ECU's... There are no opinions on this topic?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well, I don't have any real world experience... yet. I've been looking into the Hondata/Uberdata question for a couple of weeks and am currently leaning towards Uberdata as it has much more "tweakability", imo. Beside that, it's cheaper too
I'm guessing you've checked out : http://www.ecimulti.org/uberdata/ ?
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Well, I don't have any real world experience... yet. I've been looking into the Hondata/Uberdata question for a couple of weeks and am currently leaning towards Uberdata as it has much more "tweakability", imo. Beside that, it's cheaper too
I'm guessing you've checked out : http://www.ecimulti.org/uberdata/ ?
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Re: ITS ECU Chipping: Uberdata or Hondata (sans)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sans »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Many series don't allow for data logging but since my car is worth a bit of money and I understand uberdata does'nt allow for over a certain RPM I would stick to hondata.</TD></TR></TABLE>
This only applies to some ECU's I believe, primarily the D series OBD0 (PM6, PG7, etc) that don't support fuel maps past I believe 7400rpm or thereabouts. Obviously B series VTEC ECU's are designed to go much higher than that, and the free programs support that.
This only applies to some ECU's I believe, primarily the D series OBD0 (PM6, PG7, etc) that don't support fuel maps past I believe 7400rpm or thereabouts. Obviously B series VTEC ECU's are designed to go much higher than that, and the free programs support that.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Andrie »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">where can I find more info on UberData? Do they have website? I tried to google it to no success. I'm a little skeptical on their support.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Look one post up from yours...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Andrie »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">where can I find more info on UberData? Do they have website? I tried to google it to no success. I'm a little skeptical on their support.</TD></TR></TABLE>
uberdata isn't a "they", it's a "you"
basically it's a system that allows you to burn your own ROM's and tune your car via a laptop and free software.
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uberdata isn't a "they", it's a "you"
basically it's a system that allows you to burn your own ROM's and tune your car via a laptop and free software.Christian
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I've seen lots of folks refer to this page as a good startring point:
http://www.pgmfi.org/twiki/bin...bHome
but still you can tell you wont have it figured out till you actually do it... the thing is, people want to know what the results will be like before getting all invested. That kind of info is harder to find.
http://www.pgmfi.org/twiki/bin...bHome
but still you can tell you wont have it figured out till you actually do it... the thing is, people want to know what the results will be like before getting all invested. That kind of info is harder to find.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hatch2k »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've seen lots of folks refer to this page as a good startring point:
http://www.pgmfi.org/twiki/bin...bHome
but still you can tell you wont have it figured out till you actually do it... the thing is, people want to know what the results will be like before getting all invested. That kind of info is harder to find.</TD></TR></TABLE>
True, but I've spent about $200 US, and I can now burn custom chips and datalog my sensors using free software from that site. I consider that money well spent. I bought a wideband O2 and controller with narrowband output for around $250US, so for under $500 total I have a pretty kickass tuning system. Now, I haven't actually DONE the tuning yet, but at least now I am in a position to do so, and I don't have to pay a shop $100/hour to do it for me. Of course, I may blow up my engine, but that's the risk, I guess.
http://www.pgmfi.org/twiki/bin...bHome
but still you can tell you wont have it figured out till you actually do it... the thing is, people want to know what the results will be like before getting all invested. That kind of info is harder to find.</TD></TR></TABLE>
True, but I've spent about $200 US, and I can now burn custom chips and datalog my sensors using free software from that site. I consider that money well spent. I bought a wideband O2 and controller with narrowband output for around $250US, so for under $500 total I have a pretty kickass tuning system. Now, I haven't actually DONE the tuning yet, but at least now I am in a position to do so, and I don't have to pay a shop $100/hour to do it for me. Of course, I may blow up my engine, but that's the risk, I guess.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sans »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and then "I" watch a piston go suborbital 
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Possible but doubtful... you can start out with a factory base map and then play around with ignition advance and fueling changes. I'd think that as long as you're watching the A/F ratio on the wideband during tuning you'd be pretty safe. Uberdata also maintains support for the stock knock sensor (on cars that came from the factory with them).
Christian, who admits that part of the Uberdata allure is in the name...
</TD></TR></TABLE>Possible but doubtful... you can start out with a factory base map and then play around with ignition advance and fueling changes. I'd think that as long as you're watching the A/F ratio on the wideband during tuning you'd be pretty safe. Uberdata also maintains support for the stock knock sensor (on cars that came from the factory with them).
Christian, who admits that part of the Uberdata allure is in the name...
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Re: ITS ECU Chipping: Uberdata or Hondata (Fobtions)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Fobtions »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">check out crome
imo equivalent to hondata or better.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Though I only have experience with Hondata, I think it says something that the Team Honda Research guys use Hondata ECUs in some of their race cars. We're talking Honda engineers who use Hondata to tweak their own stuff. Hummmmm....
imo equivalent to hondata or better.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Though I only have experience with Hondata, I think it says something that the Team Honda Research guys use Hondata ECUs in some of their race cars. We're talking Honda engineers who use Hondata to tweak their own stuff. Hummmmm....
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Re: ITS ECU Chipping: Uberdata or Hondata (thawley)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thawley »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Though I only have experience with Hondata, I think it says something that the Team Honda Research guys use Hondata ECUs in some of their race cars. We're talking Honda engineers who use Hondata to tweak their own stuff. Hummmmm....</TD></TR></TABLE>
And I'm sure they pay full retail for it. Hmmm.....
And I'm sure they pay full retail for it.
Hmmm.....
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Re: ITS ECU Chipping: Uberdata or Hondata (rpr)
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And I'm sure they pay full retail for it. Hmmm.....</TD></TR></TABLE>
not that i know any info about this specificly but the more people i become freinds with the more i relize that 99% of people pay pretty much full price for there **** no matter who they are. Ya maye a discount here and there, but the HT classifieds can be a awsome place to find some kick *** deals.
Im not computer sauvy and would go with hondata, i have uberdata DL'd and ready to go, but still would purchase the hondata
And I'm sure they pay full retail for it.
Hmmm.....</TD></TR></TABLE>not that i know any info about this specificly but the more people i become freinds with the more i relize that 99% of people pay pretty much full price for there **** no matter who they are. Ya maye a discount here and there, but the HT classifieds can be a awsome place to find some kick *** deals.
Im not computer sauvy and would go with hondata, i have uberdata DL'd and ready to go, but still would purchase the hondata
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Re: ITS ECU Chipping: Uberdata or Hondata (slammed_93_hatch)
It looks as though you could save a bit of money using uberdata, but you have to do everything yourself with little support, where Hondata is a reputable company with solid backing. Is that peoples impression?
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Re: ITS ECU Chipping: Uberdata or Hondata (VTECAcuraGSR)
That sounds about right... Uberdata allows for finer rpm scaling for fuel maps but Hondata and Uber are basically the same thing. I guess with Hondata part of what you're paying for is the tech-support network...
Christian, who still likes the idea of having a wideband and doing his own tuning
Christian, who still likes the idea of having a wideband and doing his own tuning
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Re: ITS ECU Chipping: Uberdata or Hondata (thawley)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thawley »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Though I only have experience with Hondata, I think it says something that the Team Honda Research guys use Hondata ECUs in some of their race cars. We're talking Honda engineers who use Hondata to tweak their own stuff. Hummmmm....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well all Hondata is is a hacked stock ECU. It is the same thing Uberdata, CROME, and others are doing. Manipulating values within a stock ECU....that's why Honda racing is using their system rather than a stand alone.
Anyways, for most people, it is a good, cheap, DIY alternative to a more expensive system. Although it is not quite as polished as Hondata is, these free pieces of software work quite well, even better if you have some programming experience and can learn some assembly language. Read the wiki on pgmfi.org for more info.
Well all Hondata is is a hacked stock ECU. It is the same thing Uberdata, CROME, and others are doing. Manipulating values within a stock ECU....that's why Honda racing is using their system rather than a stand alone.
Anyways, for most people, it is a good, cheap, DIY alternative to a more expensive system. Although it is not quite as polished as Hondata is, these free pieces of software work quite well, even better if you have some programming experience and can learn some assembly language. Read the wiki on pgmfi.org for more info.
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