after looking at the air intake, header, throttle body, i know see why my car bone stock is not much slower than my buddies cai, header, and throttle body. mine stock already has a 4-2-1 manifold not much different than after market header, and the throttle body has not that much room to port, and no flaws what so ever. what do you guys think??? i dont see a point of spending as much money as he did for him to pull a length or two on me in a long distance.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by getdrugtoday &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i dont see a point of spending as much money as he did for him to pull a length or two on me in a long distance.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Then don't.

Bolt-ons really don't produce the power that you might think in our cars... I/H/E? Expect about 5-8hp on a B18A/B, depending. Aftermarket headers are generally better than our stock manifolds, 4-2-1 or not (save the Pacesetter... I've read those lose HP over stock).

TB is basically useless with only a CAI and a header, btw, especially in a B18A/B.
You need head work and/or cams to use an aftermarket TB to its full extent.

Here's a hint - buy some Crower cams and get them tuned. You'll spend about as much as your friend did on his stuff and you'll whoop his *** day in and day out. Plus, when you want to add the CAI, header, and exhaust, you'll make even better gains. Search for StyleTEG's threads - he's done some playing with Crower 404's on a nearly stock B18B and he loved them. I think he's moved onto a B20 since though.

 

Buy a zex kit and you will kick his ***. I ported my TB. I didnt have any truble at all. Its thin as hell now.

-Aaron

 

i would like to put cams in that would be really dependable, still keep gas milage with my all stock exaust. i like the sleeper look. it ran a 15.8 all stock. ive never touched anything, and it has the stock soggy clutch with 130XXX miles. how much for the cams. i think that would be the biggest bang for the buck. less nitrous

 

Most cams i Think can run from $300 to as much, or probably more then $900.
As for the whole keeping good gas milage, It usually doesn't mix with preformance.

 

Crower 403/404's usually run for about $400 - Non-Vtec cams are a lot cheaper than their $700+ VTEC counterparts. Toss in decent valve springs and retainers and you're looking at about $250 more. A used setup is cheaper, of course. Gas mileage isn't affected much - in fact some people report improved mileage in some cases.

 

depends on the combination of mods also.

i dynoed at 130whp and 116.8 trq
01 teg, AEM pulleys, AEM CAI, pacesetter 4-2-1 and dc sport catback..

My friend has a 2000 and dynoed at 123whp and 112 trq. DC 4-2-1, aem pulleys, greddy evo 2 exaust, aem cai

Also buddy with b18b, JG 301 cams, headeer and exaust dynoed at 139 whp and 123 trq..,. cams made a difference

with my bolt ons i made close to 10 xtra whp..which isnt much for the money paid for bolt ons...

My next step wouldve been a ls/vtec if i didnt get a JDM gsr for 2000+my swap

 

I've had my LS for a long time with bolt-ons before I realized my mistake. My mistake was this: Bolt ons are nothing but a waste of money on our motors. Even throwing in some heavy duty cams didn't help much. Stock GSR's would pretty much still beat me.

Forced Induction is pretty much the only way I saw that was worthwhile. Once I did it, I was was very happy.

LS-Vtec is another alternative if you want to stay out of F/I.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shamoo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've had my LS for a long time with bolt-ons before I realized my mistake. My mistake was this: Bolt ons are nothing but a waste of money on our motors. Even throwing in some heavy duty cams didn't help much. Stock GSR's would pretty much still beat me.

Forced Induction is pretty much the only way I saw that was worthwhile. Once I did it, I was was very happy.

LS-Vtec is another alternative if you want to stay out of F/I.</TD></TR></TABLE>


The reason for that may be, "Did you tune your motor?"


The LS motor can be built for cheap! You can spend next to nothing and have a built motor! Bolts ons do matter once upgrade your cams and pistons! However there are a few ppl on here that make 164+ whp with a stock LS bottom end! talk to StyleTeg on that one!

Beyond that the LS has a lot of potential, just make sure you get it tuned!

Lighten up your car too!

 

In my opinion, it a waste of money spending money for bolt-on a non-vtec b18. No matter how much you put money into it, you probably wont be able to get pass 180whp on an all motor let alone being streetable. So get straight to the point and go either Ls-vtec or turbo. Those are the only two choice i see in non-vtec b18. that just how i see it, not saying b18 suck without vtec or FI.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StolenTeg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In my opinion, it a waste of money spending money for bolt-on a non-vtec b18. No matter how much you put money into it, you probably wont be able to get pass 180whp on an all motor let alone being streetable. So get straight to the point and go either Ls-vtec or turbo. Those are the only two choice i see in non-vtec b18. that just how i see it, not saying b18 suck without vtec or FI.</TD></TR></TABLE>

There is some truth in this, but not all totally true! If you plan on driving your car everyday then you want Vtec of turbo, b/c when you build a non-vtec it is for race and not daily driving, even though many ppl still daily drive them! One thing most ppl dont understand is, have you ever looked at a non-vtec vs. a vtec motor on a dyno sheet making the same amount of power? If you have you notice the non-vtec's start making their power way before a vtec would, b/c with vtec you are waiting vtec! Most ppl only build these motors to 180- 185 whp, however they carry the potential of 210-220whp!

Dont get me wrong, I like vtec motors and I have a few so dont take this the wrong way! Do consider this though, if this is going to be daily driven then Vtec or Turbo is your best options!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybrid_vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">However there are a few ppl on here that make 164+ whp with a stock LS bottom end! talk to StyleTeg on that one!

Beyond that the LS has a lot of potential, just make sure you get it tuned!

Lighten up your car too! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Of course.

Okay...I'm gonna be a hater now. 164whp....o0o0o0o0oo0

For all that money put in, a simple bolt on turbo kit (with potential AFTER that to go OVER 400whp with the same kit) ran me mid to high 12's on a stock motor and slicks. Low to mid 13's on street tires.

Then of course I had the option to build the motor, which I did. Used the same kit, and built the motor.....almost 400whp.

 

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Of course.

Okay...I'm gonna be a hater now. 164whp....o0o0o0o0oo0

For all that money put in, a simple bolt on turbo kit (with potential AFTER that to go OVER 400whp with the same kit) ran me mid to high 12's on a stock motor and slicks. Low to mid 13's on street tires.

Then of course I had the option to build the motor, which I did. Used the same kit, and built the motor.....almost 400whp.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Be a hater if you like! But I'd like to see you build a 200 whp vtec for under $2K, its not very easy! Going turbo you can, if you piece together your kit! I'm an allmotor guy, so I believe that there is more to life than drag racing, if you want a real driving experience try road racing!

That 164 whp was done with just 404 cams and a Pnp on StyleTeg's LS!

I understand what you are saying, if you are going for the most Hp and only care about peak #'s then turbo is your best bet!

 

this is not what you were asking of me, but unless you want to go all motor, quit spending your money on bolt ons and save for a nice turbo setup.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chitwn91rs &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this is not what you were asking of me, but unless you want to go all motor, quit spending your money on bolt ons and save for a nice turbo setup.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well put!

 

i think thats pretty crazy the prices you spend building the motor. i built a chevy motor for around 4 k give or take making roughly 550-600 hp on motor. i got away cheap doing all of the work myself (less machine work) and having a DBA getting stuff cheaper helps too! and then you take a honda motor that has way less parts and it cost that much or more money and im sure honda parts are just as popular and easy to get now. i was looking at dart blocks that cost around 2k for the chevy which takes more material to make than the honda, and the honda is the same price. i guess just a way for people to screw.....people lol. just a thought.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by getdrugtoday &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think thats pretty crazy the prices you spend building the motor. i built a chevy motor for around 4 k give or take making roughly 550-600 hp on motor. i got away cheap doing all of the work myself (less machine work) and having a DBA getting stuff cheaper helps too! and then you take a honda motor that has way less parts and it cost that much or more money and im sure honda parts are just as popular and easy to get now. i was looking at dart blocks that cost around 2k for the chevy which takes more material to make than the honda, and the honda is the same price. i guess just a way for people to screw.....people lol. just a thought. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I hear you on that! Also when you look at V8 parts the technology has been around for forever! One problem for most of us though isnt the cost or availability of motors for V8's, its the chassis! V8 chassis's are expensive! When it comes to building a V8's, cost isnt a factor! $3K - $4K and you have bad *** motor(I've seen many done for under $2.5K). Also chevy motors are way cheaper to build than Ford motors!