Hey, in your guys experience, which of the two would you suggest i get, ive seen alotta dyno results, but really not a huge difference. So if anyone has some personal experience with these, can i get some input thanks alot!

 

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Who's the chick in your avatar?

 

i suggest skunk 2 homie

 

i thought this was a pretty big difference...but mebe thats just me. 20whp is a lot to me
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1019995

 

i like my skunk2 stage ones but do you think the buddy club stage ones would work good on nitrous

 

Hey thanks wrongWD, i never saw that post, thanks alot guys, im pretty sure im goin with skunk 2 stage 2s!

 

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on that dyno, the Buddy Clubs outperform the Skunk2s ... so why you want the skunks?

 

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on that dyno, the Buddy Clubs outperform the Skunk2s ... so why you want the skunks?</TD></TR></TABLE>

My guess is that he is not considering either the S2S3 cams or the BC4 cams. And just because the BC4s outperformed the S2S3 cams on that hot 2.0L, doesn't give any insight into how the S2S2, S2S1, BCIII, and BCIII+ cams may compare.

 

if you can get your hands on some "old" skunk2 stage 2 cams ... they kick hard .... the "new" stage 2 cams are a little bit weaker

 

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My guess is that he is not considering either the S2S3 cams or the BC4 cams. And just because the BC4s outperformed the S2S3 cams on that hot 2.0L, doesn't give any insight into how the S2S2, S2S1, BCIII, and BCIII+ cams may compare.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ok, well don't the Buddy Club Spec III+ cams outperform the Skunk2 Stage 2's as well?

 

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Ok, well don't the Buddy Club Spec III+ cams outperform the Skunk2 Stage 2's as well?</TD></TR></TABLE>

no..skunk2 stage 1 maybe...but def not stage 2

correct me if i'm wrong i talk too much and i dont know crap

 

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no..skunk2 stage 1 maybe...but def not stage 2

correct me if i'm wrong i talk too much and i dont know crap </TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't think we have seen any data to prove anything at this point.

I have a set of Skunk Stage 1's sitting in my garage. I am waiting on a check from an investment and I am going to pick up a set of Buddy Club III+ cams. I plan to install both and keep which ever delievers the largest and most powerful powerband. Problem is I cannot justify the dyno time, so all my work will be done with a AEM wideband and G-tech Professional, which is not the most accurate thing, but it is repeatable, so it will give good insight into the differences between the cams, but not the actual output numbers. I would love to run them on a dyno, but as mentioned cannot justify it. I may see if a local dyno shop will sponsor a cam comparison or something. If anyone knows of someone in the Houston area that can pony up a dyno for a cam test let me know.

FYI, I am running a B16a2 with DC SS 421 head, AEM intake of a P28. Got Skunk2 valve train and VAFC, along with cams sitting in the garage, waiting.

 

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Ok, well don't the Buddy Club Spec III+ cams outperform the Skunk2 Stage 2's as well?</TD></TR></TABLE>

after seeing what the bc4's did to the s2s3's on a high comp motor, i, along with many others will not be suprised in the least if the 3+'s defeat the s2s2's. alot has been revealed since bc has release there new line of cams. to me, it seems like they are one the only company that actually took the time to do some r&d and actually design a new cam profile, not copy a current cam that is already on the market. this is exactly what happens when manufactures take time to attempt make a better performing product, not just something new, which is really old, but, has a new sticker on it. remember first it was Jun 3's, then s2s2's, then wi, blox.....you understand what i'm saying.......

 

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Who's the chick in your avatar?</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BryanPendleton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think we have seen any data to prove anything at this point.

I have a set of Skunk Stage 1's sitting in my garage. I am waiting on a check from an investment and I am going to pick up a set of Buddy Club III+ cams. I plan to install both and keep which ever delievers the largest and most powerful powerband. Problem is I cannot justify the dyno time, so all my work will be done with a AEM wideband and G-tech Professional, which is not the most accurate thing, but it is repeatable, so it will give good insight into the differences between the cams, but not the actual output numbers. I would love to run them on a dyno, but as mentioned cannot justify it. I may see if a local dyno shop will sponsor a cam comparison or something. If anyone knows of someone in the Houston area that can pony up a dyno for a cam test let me know.

FYI, I am running a B16a2 with DC SS 421 head, AEM intake of a P28. Got Skunk2 valve train and VAFC, along with cams sitting in the garage, waiting. </TD></TR></TABLE>

for any testing to let us know how these cams compare. I am also trying to pull together some money for BCIII+ to see how they are, it's gonna take me a while though until I've got everything together.

 

i said skunk stage 2 homie

 

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Where is this info from? I was not aware that Skunk had changed the profile.

 

i was reading in a post, someone had said the old Skunk2 Stage 2's are equal to the new Skunk2 stage 3's ...... just what i herd ... sorry , should have made that more clear .... i personally had Skunk2 stage 2's in my B16 and boy did they kick hard as h3LL....

 

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Don't believe everything you read on H-T.

 

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you guys crack me up,,,,,,,,,was it some dude that had a "AEM wideband and G-tech Professional" that made that statement,lol

b19coupe is correct on his statement, don't believe everything you read or see.

 

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where are you getting 20whp from?

it looks like 7 to me..its been said already, but 7 whp on a motor like that is like 2-3whp on a semi-built 1.8 liter.

 

your not even looking at the graph man....take a look at the graph one more time, peak HP is 7 hp....Buddyclubs only kill skunk2's on top end by 7hp....your correct on that half....but it you took the time to look at the graph more clearly, you'll see that at points from about 7000-8000, the buddy clubs stomp the **** outta skunks....and down below, the numbers are pretty much steady at about 7 or more hp for the buddies. This cam has much better low end and mid range than the skunks...And well, thats what most people want out of a street car....I mean, who the hell is gonne rev their **** too 9000+ ....gimme a break, Unless your ur a "grand national drag racer" then I don't think you'll need to be makin power past 8200.

correct me if I'm wrong.

 

who the hell wants to have a cam that probably dies at every light when the motors cold and hardly idles when it warm? do u have any idea the ramifications of having such a large primary lobe, or even care? does anyone notice some striking similarities between the toda B and the BC4? throw a toda B in my car any day over a BC4 and personally would rather have S2 stage2 becasue i might get some kind of gas mileage around town and some civility

hahahha dont listen to a word i say

 

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Not a problem if you know a few tuning tricks.
Daily driven Toda 'C's here.

 

from what ive heared the spec C has the bottom lobe of the B with a bigger vtec lobe;
if thats so, i have seen a few cars idle them without problems, but just like computers, the user is 99% of the problems, and like i said, u shouldnt have been readin my post