guaging interest... replacment bushings for rear trailing arms
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guaging interest... replacment bushings for rear trailing arms
one of the companies i deal with has started to offer a rear trailing arm bushing replacement for hondas.
as we all know the factory bushings suck and go out way too soon.
here are the options
we can get factory replacements but they cost way too much for something that crappy
also there are the energy suspension replacements, which if anyone has seen, you know how craptacular of a design they are. they are a solid bushing which should make for a stiff ride, but they do not come with the metal link installed, so you have to cut the factory link out and slide it in. the only problem is that you have a whole lot of play in it. it is not a good design
mugen makes a factory type replacment that is pretty much just a beefier version of the factory bushing. i have heard good things about it but i would imagine that they arnt cheap
finally prothane makes a really good replacment, but it is expensive as hell.
the kit i found is a solid replacement with the link made into the bushing. it has a design that locks it into place so that it does not risk sliding out of place like the energy suspension. they come in black red and blue colors. and best of all they have a liftime warranty. it is hard to beat that.
i am not a salesman or anything i just thought i would share with fellow honda tech members. you have to have a distributor account with this company in order to buy from them. the shop i work for has an account set up, so if it seems that enough people are interested i will post some of them for sale in the classified section. they will go for 50 per bushing. so for the mathematicaly challenged, that would be 100 bucks for a set. i wcould probablu even do a group buy if enough people seem interested.
once again i am no salesman but at the same time i have to make some profit in order to et my boss to go along with the idea. otherwise no one may ever hear of these parts and we will all be stuck buying the crappy or overpriced alternatives.
let me know what you guys think.
also i know that i might not have listed every company that makes stuff like this, and maybe you think that energy suspension is the bomb or whatever, just keep in mind i am not trying to pis anyone off i am just trying to throw honda tech a bone.
as we all know the factory bushings suck and go out way too soon.
here are the options
we can get factory replacements but they cost way too much for something that crappy
also there are the energy suspension replacements, which if anyone has seen, you know how craptacular of a design they are. they are a solid bushing which should make for a stiff ride, but they do not come with the metal link installed, so you have to cut the factory link out and slide it in. the only problem is that you have a whole lot of play in it. it is not a good design
mugen makes a factory type replacment that is pretty much just a beefier version of the factory bushing. i have heard good things about it but i would imagine that they arnt cheap
finally prothane makes a really good replacment, but it is expensive as hell.
the kit i found is a solid replacement with the link made into the bushing. it has a design that locks it into place so that it does not risk sliding out of place like the energy suspension. they come in black red and blue colors. and best of all they have a liftime warranty. it is hard to beat that.
i am not a salesman or anything i just thought i would share with fellow honda tech members. you have to have a distributor account with this company in order to buy from them. the shop i work for has an account set up, so if it seems that enough people are interested i will post some of them for sale in the classified section. they will go for 50 per bushing. so for the mathematicaly challenged, that would be 100 bucks for a set. i wcould probablu even do a group buy if enough people seem interested.
once again i am no salesman but at the same time i have to make some profit in order to et my boss to go along with the idea. otherwise no one may ever hear of these parts and we will all be stuck buying the crappy or overpriced alternatives.
let me know what you guys think.
also i know that i might not have listed every company that makes stuff like this, and maybe you think that energy suspension is the bomb or whatever, just keep in mind i am not trying to pis anyone off i am just trying to throw honda tech a bone.
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Re: guaging interest... replacment bushings for rear trailing arms (Mr.E.G.)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.E.G. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also there are the energy suspension replacements, which if anyone has seen, you know how craptacular of a design they are. they are a solid bushing which should make for a stiff ride, but they do not come with the metal link installed, so you have to cut the factory link out and slide it in. the only problem is that you have a whole lot of play in it. it is not a good design</TD></TR></TABLE>
You are correct that the metal cylinder link does not come installed. You have to use a press which all bushings require. However the next statement is incorrect. The old factory ones are pressed out.
You are correct that the metal cylinder link does not come installed. You have to use a press which all bushings require. However the next statement is incorrect. The old factory ones are pressed out.
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Re: guaging interest... replacment bushings for rear trailing arms (Mr.E.G.)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.E.G. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">as we all know the factory bushings suck and go out way too soon. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Why do you say that. 74K on my car and my bushings are fine.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">we can get factory replacements but they cost way too much for something that crappy</TD></TR></TABLE>
How much are they? You dont have to buy the whole trailing arm.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> the only problem is that you have a whole lot of play in it. it is not a good design</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats not why the design sucks.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">mugen makes a factory type replacment that is pretty much just a beefier version of the factory bushing. i have heard good things about it but i would imagine that they arnt cheap</TD></TR></TABLE>
Again, have you looked? They are $114 for the pair @ king motorsports.
They are the ONLY bushing that is stiffer than stock and still retains "OEM" functionality - and allows the arm to move in the way it was designed, and not bind up like all the other solid designs.
I will be trying a set out later this year to see if I make the car more stable under heavy braking.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">finally prothane makes a really good replacment, but it is expensive as hell.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, their design sucks just like Energy's. Its a solid bushing. They're about $100 for the pair.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> otherwise no one may ever hear of these parts and we will all be stuck buying the crappy or overpriced alternatives.. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Your proposed product is no better alternative than any of the others because it is a solid bushing.
If you can make an "OE Style" bushing for less than the Mugen set, go for it. The rest, well maybe the street/ricer crowd will buy them. Who knows.
Why do you say that. 74K on my car and my bushings are fine.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">we can get factory replacements but they cost way too much for something that crappy</TD></TR></TABLE>
How much are they? You dont have to buy the whole trailing arm.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> the only problem is that you have a whole lot of play in it. it is not a good design</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats not why the design sucks.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">mugen makes a factory type replacment that is pretty much just a beefier version of the factory bushing. i have heard good things about it but i would imagine that they arnt cheap</TD></TR></TABLE>
Again, have you looked? They are $114 for the pair @ king motorsports.
They are the ONLY bushing that is stiffer than stock and still retains "OEM" functionality - and allows the arm to move in the way it was designed, and not bind up like all the other solid designs.
I will be trying a set out later this year to see if I make the car more stable under heavy braking.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">finally prothane makes a really good replacment, but it is expensive as hell.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, their design sucks just like Energy's. Its a solid bushing. They're about $100 for the pair.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> otherwise no one may ever hear of these parts and we will all be stuck buying the crappy or overpriced alternatives.. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Your proposed product is no better alternative than any of the others because it is a solid bushing.
If you can make an "OE Style" bushing for less than the Mugen set, go for it. The rest, well maybe the street/ricer crowd will buy them. Who knows.
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Re: guaging interest... replacment bushings for rear trailing arms (.RJ)
What ^ said. I have yet to see a bushing designed as well as the OEM bushing with Mugen as the only exception (and at a very reasonable price. I think I paid $104 for my set from King a couple of years ago). A solid poly bushing is so inherently different (and inferior) to the OEM design that it would be hard to improve on what is already out there.
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in repsonse to your comment, my energy suspension bushings did not come with the metal link. if yours did, thats news to me.
RJ
i got my civic with 100k on it and the factory bushings were screwed. i litterally do not know of any one with an eg or older integra with good rear trailing arm bushings. if your are still good, glad to hear it.
also i priced the factory replacments and they were like a little over 100 bucks if i remember correctly. and i know that you can get the bushings without the trailing arm you just have to go in knowung the part number or hope that the dealership parts guy knows what he is looking for.
also i have no problem with the mugen design. obviously honda designed the factory bushings to the way they did for a reason. with a solid design it goes against that original design, but never the less some people prefer the solid design and others the open.
thereason why i think thew prothane design is better than the energy suspension design is beacuse it comes with the link, and it does away with the little metal rim thing that you have to salvage from the factory bushing and then use with the energy suspension bushing
the moral of the story is you dont like solid bushings. thats swell but some people do want them. and to those who do want them i thought that i would try to make a better less expensive alternative.
i dont pretend to be a genius when it comes to suspension design and theory and so forth, but i can definatley say that i think the honda design falls short in terms of reliability, and this part picks up where they left off. how it effects handling versus an open design is debateable, and that is not a debate that i know enough about to get involved in.
either way thanks for sharing your opinion
also the price quote that i got from a local dealer for the prothane kit was closer to 200 dollars.
in repsonse to your comment, my energy suspension bushings did not come with the metal link. if yours did, thats news to me.
RJ
i got my civic with 100k on it and the factory bushings were screwed. i litterally do not know of any one with an eg or older integra with good rear trailing arm bushings. if your are still good, glad to hear it.
also i priced the factory replacments and they were like a little over 100 bucks if i remember correctly. and i know that you can get the bushings without the trailing arm you just have to go in knowung the part number or hope that the dealership parts guy knows what he is looking for.
also i have no problem with the mugen design. obviously honda designed the factory bushings to the way they did for a reason. with a solid design it goes against that original design, but never the less some people prefer the solid design and others the open.
thereason why i think thew prothane design is better than the energy suspension design is beacuse it comes with the link, and it does away with the little metal rim thing that you have to salvage from the factory bushing and then use with the energy suspension bushing
the moral of the story is you dont like solid bushings. thats swell but some people do want them. and to those who do want them i thought that i would try to make a better less expensive alternative.
i dont pretend to be a genius when it comes to suspension design and theory and so forth, but i can definatley say that i think the honda design falls short in terms of reliability, and this part picks up where they left off. how it effects handling versus an open design is debateable, and that is not a debate that i know enough about to get involved in.
either way thanks for sharing your opinion
also the price quote that i got from a local dealer for the prothane kit was closer to 200 dollars.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.E.G. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
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i got my civic with 100k on it and the factory bushings were screwed. i litterally do not know of any one with an eg or older integra with good rear trailing arm bushings. if your are still good, glad to hear it.
[snip]
also i have no problem with the mugen design. obviously honda designed the factory bushings to the way they did for a reason. with a solid design it goes against that original design, but never the less some people prefer the solid design and others the open.
[snip]
the moral of the story is you dont like solid bushings. thats swell but some people do want them. and to those who do want them i thought that i would try to make a better less expensive alternative.
i dont pretend to be a genius when it comes to suspension design and theory and so forth, but i can definatley say that i think the honda design falls short in terms of reliability, and this part picks up where they left off. how it effects handling versus an open design is debateable, and that is not a debate that i know enough about to get involved in. </TD></TR></TABLE>
100k miles of wear on bushings seems awfully good to me... after all they're a wear item, right?
Yes, Honda designed the bushings the way they did for a reason. Solid bushings cause suspension binding aren't ideal for anyone concerned about handling/performance.
Christian, who's trailing arm bushings are shot... but thinks that after 150k miles of useage he's gotten his "money's worth" out of them
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i got my civic with 100k on it and the factory bushings were screwed. i litterally do not know of any one with an eg or older integra with good rear trailing arm bushings. if your are still good, glad to hear it.
[snip]
also i have no problem with the mugen design. obviously honda designed the factory bushings to the way they did for a reason. with a solid design it goes against that original design, but never the less some people prefer the solid design and others the open.
[snip]
the moral of the story is you dont like solid bushings. thats swell but some people do want them. and to those who do want them i thought that i would try to make a better less expensive alternative.
i dont pretend to be a genius when it comes to suspension design and theory and so forth, but i can definatley say that i think the honda design falls short in terms of reliability, and this part picks up where they left off. how it effects handling versus an open design is debateable, and that is not a debate that i know enough about to get involved in. </TD></TR></TABLE>
100k miles of wear on bushings seems awfully good to me... after all they're a wear item, right?
Yes, Honda designed the bushings the way they did for a reason. Solid bushings cause suspension binding aren't ideal for anyone concerned about handling/performance.
Christian, who's trailing arm bushings are shot... but thinks that after 150k miles of useage he's gotten his "money's worth" out of them
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.E.G. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also i priced the factory replacments and they were like a little over 100 bucks if i remember correctly. </TD></TR></TABLE>
So whats the problem? They're not so expensive and they last a long time...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but never the less some people prefer the solid design and others the open. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Only because they dont know any better and ***-u-me that solid = better.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the moral of the story is you dont like solid bushings. thats swell but some people do want them. and to those who do want them i thought that i would try to make a better less expensive alternative.</TD></TR></TABLE>
But your alternative isnt any better or less expensive
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dont pretend to be a genius when it comes to suspension design and theory and so forth, but i can definatley say that i think the honda design falls short in terms of reliability, and this part picks up where they left off.</TD></TR></TABLE>
So you're going to provide a gauarantee that your product will last to 100K with no change in performance? Thats bold.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> how it effects handling versus an open design is debateable, and that is not a debate that i know enough about to get involved in.</TD></TR></TABLE>
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=493789
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also the price quote that i got from a local dealer for the prothane kit was closer to 200 dollars. </TD></TR></TABLE>
suspension.com, i looked up 'prothane trailing arm bushings acura' on google and found it right away.
So whats the problem? They're not so expensive and they last a long time...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but never the less some people prefer the solid design and others the open. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Only because they dont know any better and ***-u-me that solid = better.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the moral of the story is you dont like solid bushings. thats swell but some people do want them. and to those who do want them i thought that i would try to make a better less expensive alternative.</TD></TR></TABLE>
But your alternative isnt any better or less expensive
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dont pretend to be a genius when it comes to suspension design and theory and so forth, but i can definatley say that i think the honda design falls short in terms of reliability, and this part picks up where they left off.</TD></TR></TABLE>
So you're going to provide a gauarantee that your product will last to 100K with no change in performance? Thats bold.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> how it effects handling versus an open design is debateable, and that is not a debate that i know enough about to get involved in.</TD></TR></TABLE>
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=493789
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also the price quote that i got from a local dealer for the prothane kit was closer to 200 dollars. </TD></TR></TABLE>
suspension.com, i looked up 'prothane trailing arm bushings acura' on google and found it right away.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 577HondaPrelude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if only someone made a spherical bearing for this....</TD></TR></TABLE>
they do! check some of the topics I have created. I think I found just about everybody that makes any kind of rear trailing arm bushing.
I'm just not sure about the Prelude...
they do! check some of the topics I have created. I think I found just about everybody that makes any kind of rear trailing arm bushing.
I'm just not sure about the Prelude...
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Re: (577HondaPrelude)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 577HondaPrelude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if only someone made a spherical bearing for this....</TD></TR></TABLE>
the world challenge integra had them.. in fact, I sold a pair of trailing arms with them already installed..
the world challenge integra had them.. in fact, I sold a pair of trailing arms with them already installed..
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 577HondaPrelude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ever see anyone sell them for the 1997+ preludes? I have looked around with no luck.</TD></TR></TABLE>
sorry.. to be honest, I'm not even sure where ours came from.. we just got a whole bucket of spares with the car..
sorry.. to be honest, I'm not even sure where ours came from.. we just got a whole bucket of spares with the car..
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