viper1984

Hi, I was wondering if anyone has replaced there trailing arm bushings with energy suspension bushings?? If so can you answer a few questions for me. Also I have seached this topic many times and I found a link on the FAQ's page but I the links won't work.

1. Do you need to take the sleeve off the original bushing and put it in the aftermarket one??

2. How do you take the center pin out of the bushing?? Or is there a place you can get those aftermarket as well??

3. Has anyone used the honda/acura trailing arm bushing x-tractor?? and if so can you use it to put the bushing back in??

thanks

Targa250R

Do not use polyurethane for the big rear trailing arm bushing. Honda, Mugen, or spherical bearing only.

viper1984

what are you downside?? I thought energy suspension bushings are much better then the oem ones??

kaiba

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by viper1984 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what are you downside?? I thought energy suspension bushings are much better then the oem ones??</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not for the trail arm. Beside you don't need that special xtractor tool or what ever it's called. Just use a hammer.

Targa250R

The big solid ES polyurethane bushing does not allow the full range of multi-axis movement that that particular bushing must go through, so it will tend to bind. The OEM/Mugen rubber RTA bushing was designed specifically for that special application.

SOHC4life 96

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Targa250R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The big solid ES polyurethane bushing does not allow the full range of multi-axis movement that that particular bushing must go through, so it will tend to bind. The OEM/Mugen rubber RTA bushing was designed specifically for that special application.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The mugen one is a little stiffer than the OEM ones you get from honda. Or so I hear. If this is 100% true that's what I would/will get.

viper1984

ok I can understand that......I did reseach and was told the same and that the bushing would have alot of stress on it. Have you guys tried the OEM/ Mugen bushings?? are they better than the ones that originally came on the car?? Am I going to have to replace these bushings after another 4-5 years. I live in canada and the car is going to have to still drive through winter.

viper1984

does anyone have the part number from honda that I can get those MUGEN bushings?? I went to the dealer today and he didn't even had the part number for just the OEM bushing. I had to give that to him after I found it in the net.

Targa250R

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by viper1984 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Have you guys tried the OEM/ Mugen bushings?? are they better than the ones that originally came on the car??</TD></TR></TABLE>
OEM = Original Equipment Manufacturer = Honda. These are the ones that originally came on the car. The Mugen bushing uses the same casting as the OEM bushing, but are advertised as being made of a more stiff rubber.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Am I going to have to replace these bushings after another 4-5 years. I live in canada and the car is going to have to still drive through winter.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Unfortunately, yes. Due to the design of that particular bushing, it usually will rot and crack after about 5 years or so.

SOHC4life 96

I don't think you can buy it from honda. You're going to have to find a place that sells it by itself. I just checked http://www.slhonda.com and the bushing comes in the trailing arm.

viper1984

when I was searching I found out some information that the honda never made bushings seperate at first but then later started to sell them. from an opinion I read, the same OEM bushing was much better then the one that came on the cars.

Targa250R

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by viper1984 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">does anyone have the part number from honda that I can get those MUGEN bushings??</TD></TR></TABLE>
They must be ordered as a pair from King Motorsports: http://www.kingmotorsports.com...ct=67

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I went to the dealer today and he didn't even had the part number for just the OEM bushing. I had to give that to him after I found it in the net. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Originally, Honda didn't sell that bushing separately; you used to have to buy the entire trailing arm - that is why the parts guy cannot pick it out of the parts catalog.

Read this article: http://www.performanceforum.co....html - it should clear some things up for you.

viper1984

alright..... thanks for the links...... if anyone else has anymore opinions or advice that would be great. thanks

B and B

iTrader: (3)

There's also Prothane...
http://www.suspension.com/prothane-civic.htm
scroll downfor pics.
I have the ES master set. Old shell is discarded if I remember. You must rip out the center shaft from the old bush and shave or burn the old rubber off until it's clean. I used an old meat cleaver, lol. That ****'s hard! Then I wire brushed it, lubed with their grease.
I heard all this about the travel, but I checked mine before attaching the suspension and you could flex that bitch all around. I almost thought it was too soft. I wonder how many people have ever seen/installed or tested them that perpetuate the theory. Some have. Anyway, research the prothane also, something about how it's captured in the TA is supposedly superior.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kaiba &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Just use a hammer.</TD></TR></TABLE> Good Luck. Torch.


Modified by B and B at 10:29 PM 2/24/2006

viper1984

alright thanks for the info..... anyone else with more info??

sohctodohc

i know this is off topic but on the kingmotorsports page it says front compliance set for the 92-95 civic what is that? and do they sell kits for these? and out of all of them which bushings are truly needed?

would i be better off buying the es kit and using mugen bushings for the rear traling arms? and is there any other bushings that your not suppose to use out of the es master kit?

SOHC4life 96

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sohctodohc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">would i be better off buying the es kit and using mugen bushings for the rear traling arms? and is there any other bushings that your not suppose to use out of the es master kit?</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's exactly what I'm going to be doing actually. That is the only bushing that needs to have some room for movement all the rest are solid bushings. Mater kit + mugen RTA bushings = perfect.

viper1984

I am not even sure if the ES kit comes with the mugen trailimg arm bushings. No other company sells them with the master kits.... I am going to call them on monday morning and see what they say.

sohctodohc

why would es kit come with mugen bushings? what about the tie rod boots??? or whatever those are?

Echo7847

Honda part # 52385-sr3-000, H/C 4098299

88-00 civic

B and B

iTrader: (3)

I think he means TA bushings in general. According to this chart they don't. http://www.suspension.com/civic.htm
(Which is good for those who want Moogen).
It's been so long since I bought mine I can't remember if i bought them seperately.
These guys were the best price I could find, whatever you want.
Get the BLACK ones! They are impregnated with graphite and won't squeak!
They really work, don't squeak, and regular Poly squeaks like crazy. My Ingalls/Dana adjustable rear upper links aren't from ES and they're the only ones I have to lube. Just those four bushings sound like you have a ******* styrofoam cooler in the hatch! You don't want that front and rear, upper and lower. The silicone grease you add at install only lasts a little while and then they will require re-lube. The tie rod/ball joint boots are just some little overlay/sheath affairs, kinda gay, I didn't use them...stock is best as stated above.
Also, read these notes, http://www.suspension.com/tips.htm they still apply to removing the TA bushings, whichever you replace them with. Using a hack-saw blade to cut around the bush works pretty good, too. This is a labor-intensive upgrade, but worth it. Really responsive afterward..


Modified by B and B at 10:55 PM 2/26/2006

viper1984

cool thanks for the help guys.....