Ive never really ponderred into the facts of engine management. But Ive got a few questions.

I plan on making a relatively reliable daily driven Car,that I can run all motor against the slower ricers, but bust out the big shot of nitrous for the quick domestics or people that need to be embarassed. Heres my setup, tell me what I can do.

Car 88 Crx

Head Work- D16A6
Milled .040
Mild Port n Polish
3 angle valve job
Delta 272 cam
Dual titanium valve springs
Ferrerea retainers
1mm oversized titanium valves
AEM Adjustable cam gear
Venon Intake manifold
JG 64mm throttle body
dsm 450cc injectors
BnM FPR

Block Work- D16a6
Arias 10:1 (about) Pistons 75.06mm bore
Eagle Rods
Crank fully balanced and micropolished
OEM deck height

Extra's
Direct Port Nitrous Injection (150 shot)
DC Sports 4-1 Header
3" Exhaust from header back, no cat or muffler, just a cherry bomb resonator, passenger side exit

I just dont really know how I go about managing this system. Spark, Air/Fuel and timing

Obviously the setups for both would be different but I want to be able to change on the fly. I dont know which of the MSD systems it is, but you just turn a **** correct and it adjust timing? Ive also got the adjustable cam gear.

Ive got a shitty laptop that I bought for like $40 for tuning, will do just fine, Im probably going to have a Zietronix Wideband.

I just need a system that allows me to still have a well tuned daily driven all motor car with descent gas mileage that still will pull effieciently all the way to redline, but want to be able to easily flip over to the ******* beast and be ready to spray a 150 shot on demand.

Know what Im saying guys, what type of systems allow you to do this?

Hopefully on a budget, and hopefully something a minimal experienced person can handle by themselves. There are no tuners anywhere in my area.

I dont plan to have this car back on the road until early march anyways so Ive got plently of time to setup and learn. Just need help

Thanks

 

If you have the time, setup your own engine managment system. I recommend this due to the fact that you will learn exactly what is going on when inside your motor and how to tune it yourself rather than having someone or something else do it for you. That way, you can change your your setup whenever you want to run whatever under the sun. Since you are running the A6, you are in the OBD-0 level so I would recommend the following links.

The Basics - http://www.pgmfi.org/
The Program - http://www.turboedit.org/
How To Setup A Base Map - http://www.green91.com/tuning.htm
A Beginners Guide To Tuning - http://home.mn.rr.com/keebler65/honda/tuning.html

If you don't feel comfortable chipping your own ecu

The Chippers - http://www.efituningforless.com/

 

Ya Ive heard of Turboedit, I figured it was for just that, TURBO

Can you do all motor tunes with it? Nitrous?

I dont think you can switch on the fly though can you...

I would love to stay OBDO as well if it matters, but if theres a great program out there Id convert to OBD1, would just take more money away from the budget

 

You can use Turbo Edit for the PM ECU's. I'm using for my P28-G00 ECU Crome and Uberdata. You can also use ECU Control for datalogging.

But sorry, i haven't understand what you wanna do now. You have a Nitrous system and want to adjust the timing or what? When you have Nitrous, you can't make retard ignition, only when you have 100+ octane gas. Sorry, i can't explain you why that is like this - my english is crap. I know why, but can't explain that.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1 Cam Wonder &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ya Ive heard of Turboedit, I figured it was for just that, TURBO

Can you do all motor tunes with it? Nitrous?

I dont think you can switch on the fly though can you...

I would love to stay OBDO as well if it matters, but if theres a great program out there Id convert to OBD1, would just take more money away from the budget</TD></TR></TABLE>

Did you read my links? Just playing with you, that is just the name of the program. Do you think the program Chrome is just for guys rolling with the bling bling on the 22s? You can do whatever you want. Hell, you could get the damn PM6 to run a ZC out of the box when you are done. You can switch on the fly if you have different base maps, it is like burning a new CD to listen to when you are driving down the road.

 

Thats not what I meant, what I meant was I thought it played with boost and things like that only appplicable to a turbo setup, and trying to use that chip on a nitrous car, would not work.

Still bumpin

 

 

 

well i'll tell you how i'm going to be tunning my setup. i'm pretty much the same thing as you w/ a b series.

tune the motor on its own using your wideband and whatever EMS you decide to go with. now dont tune the motor to where its on the edge of detonation like the typical all motor setup. When your trying to make power on the bottle, you dont need to strive for that extra 5hp on the motor. Turboedit and Uberdata are both really good programs and dont take that long to get the hang of. Make sure you are comfortable tunning your car OFF the bottle before you try to tune ON the bottle.

when you have the motor running where you want it and you're ready to spray, you basically tune the nitrous system on its own. this is the part where you get REALLY good at reading plugs, as nitrous tunning is all about plug reading and trap speeds. start out with conservative jets, especially on the fuel side. basically it's trial and error from here. ALWAYS change your fuel jet first whether it's rich or lean.

reading your post again, i get the idea you probably want to do stuff mostly on the street, which is kinda difficult to do. now unless you have some way of adjusting timing from inside the car, your basically going to have to sacrafice your motors performance off the bottle, and run less timing all the time. Also, the 150 on pump gas is A LOT of nitrous. In my opinion, it's really too much for pump gas. If you really want to use that high of a shot, here is my suggestion.........setup a stand alone fuel system dedicated to your nitrous. get ahold of a 1gal fuel cell along with an inline pump and all the appropriate accesories and feed your nitrous setup with race gas. that way you can run the motor on pump gas with no worries and have your nitrous system ready to go all the time. OCTANE is extremely important when on the bottle, do whatever you can to run the highest octane whenever your on the bottle.

also, dont forget the usual nitrous stuff like plugs and what have you

GOOD LUCK!!!!!

 

If pump gas is good until about 400whp (or a little more on a turbo setup) is it different for a nitrous setup?

NOS, Jacobs electrons, NX, have nitrous controllers that allow you to set when you want the nitrous to go on/off along with timing retards on when on nitrous.

 

I had e-manage installed in my accord...you can store hundreds of different maps and switch them via palm pilot laptop or proffec e-01 greddy controller.I'm planning on adding 75 shot to this setup. i'd be able to switch between the maps then.you could do the same....

 

for your application, I would say zdyne is your best bet, you can switch from allmotor to nitrous maps on the fly with the push of a button. zdyne also has nitrous engagement controls (coming soon), full throttle shift, and launch control. Everyone I know who has it says its the best purchase they've made.

 

Good choice, but Zdyne is getting somewhat rarer to find.

 

use turboedit
i have friends with ls-vtec in a 88crx
runing 80 shot direct.
its a daily driver

program is free (run two chips)
all motor it runs 13.5-.8-1 a/r with max timing of 32 degrees
on nitrous all is needed is to switch out the chips (timing lowered to 26 on nitrous chip)

4 ur case i
u can run an allmotor chip
and a nitrous chip just like my buddys

but instead of runing 150 straight
do twol stage80 direct and 80 single nozzle
(150 direct will just spin tires and too much nitrous at one time)

 

i have the new nx maximizer for sale that uses the palm pilot witch is great for a direct port.

 

I'm building a VERY similar setup w/a b18c1 ... After reasearching, this is what i plan to do.

MSD 6-AL (I have an accel 300+, but this is fine - dual stage rev limiter for full throttle shift ... unless you use hondata and buy 3-stg rev limter ($125)) - need multi-spark for safety - $200

Hondata - great tuning capabilities, built-in n2O control (made for dry system + overload injectors... but dont enrich fuel (use fuel solenoid + jets w/wet system) - just retard timing with it) $295 -- and you dont have to change chips! just hit the button - no power loss

Get the car tuned properly by a professional- best way to do it... Or buy the stuff and do it yourself &gt;&gt;cringe&lt;&lt;

My setup: Arias 10.4 pistons (.020 over)- Eagle LS rods, LS crank, b18c1 block -- stage 2 head setup (haven't picked cams yet) -- STR block guard ... etc =\ -- any suggestions or comments on head components would be appreciated.
N.O.S. NOSzle direct port system - 125ish shot -- 94 octane

Modified by HobbesGSR at 8:00 PM 10/27/2004


Modified by HobbesGSR at 8:03 PM 10/27/2004

 

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