Thank you for confirming my suspicions. I just was just blown away from the amount of egotism that existed particularly in this part of the U.S. I mean, Texas did a lot of bullshit boasting too, but they were more scientific about it, because they've been doing this with old domestics for decades. But in NY/NJ, the rivalry was just elaborate. Shop vs. Shop, "Team" vs. "Team", even tuner vs. tuner. (They were usually boasted by the end user or shop owner).

The only question to answer was "Who had the most power?" (to hell how the power was made or how long the engine may last, or how repeatable the results were, or if it was even an accurate reading... It's just.. the fact that it made one run with that power level. That's all that mattered). The only record of the run ever existing was a wobbly video of someone running to the monitor to see the power/torque graph and forgetting to focus the damn camera or phone. If it made it to 1320 Videos, you were an immediate star..

It was interesting and funny to watch all at the same time. I actually felt sorry for the tuners, as they were the quietest ones there, and no one else was doing anything but filming and acting a complete fool in the dyno room. I'm surprised no one got hurt or the tuner didn't get distracted.

You had multiple people at tuning session filming dyno runs when the tuner just gets started, (not even a fade away to the end result. ), Honda vs. Domestic, Honda vs. Bike, etc... Nothing "Kanjo" style or highway runs, just straight street "grudge" match. The amount of prep they go through on slicks just for street races is amazing. And the money.... my goodness, if you won, even if you got caught, was still a net win. If you lost.. wow.. you might as well have lost your home. I'm sure many a girlfriend/spouse has beaten up a driver or two every weekend. .

About three, maybe four years ago I was at a good friend's house, and he wanted to show me how the scene has become over the years since my last visit. (We were a little more incognito in his Evo X) and just 20-25 min at these little "shindigs", was just negotiating. It made old Pinks look quick & easy. 6-7 burnouts and tests for each car later, they race, run back to collect money, leave to the next spot, and do it again. It was all in of itself, wonderful, exhausting, idiotic, yet, just interesting. Almost like watching Lions going after Hyenas in the Serengeti. You wanted to look away at the carnage, but it was just fascinating to see at this level. This wasn't what it was in the early 2000s. This kind of street bullshit was on Meth..

My friend and I both then realized after being on the tracks and motorways so long, that we were just too long in the tooth to do that anymore. A few bursts of speed, sure, but not like these guys. Let the young have it.

 

I'm here in Phoenix and I have seen a few of the 1320 videos with Phoenix street racing and it always makes me laugh when it comes down to Hondas. It's always about how much power the car makes and all the focus and attention is about that. Sometimes they ask more detail about the setup and then you find out they make 700-800whp on a stock transmission, stock axles, crappy ECU setup and when asked about 1/4 mile times it's always a guess or what they THINK it would do but really have no clue. Every time I ask why people don't go to the track it's always the same crap, they won't let me run because I have a cracked window or no helmet or fire jacket. I always think, these guys have no problem betting 500 bucks on a race but can't afford a 100 dollar windshield or a 100 dollar helmet and jacket?

The truth is these guys who claim to be in a 9 second car in fact aren't even close and don't want to really see what their stuff can really do. They don't want their "Crew" to see that their car is actually a slow *** junk box. They want to believe in their own hype about being a street king. This is why when you actually have real events come into town you never see the you tube and street kings actually go out to the track. You would figure with all the hundreds of these cars you would see a crap ton wanting to hit the tracks and actually win some money.

I saw a 1320 video awhile back with this so called big powered CRX that dominates the street and makes huge power, yet I have never seen this thing at any drag events. It's easy to say your big power and are super fast than actually prove it LOL. This is my take on the big power street car crap.

 

Its hilarious really. I've had much success in the "street scene" here and my car really has been in the 500-600 range the entire time. A stock head LS for the majority of the time. Nothing crazy. Doesn't make 900whp. It just works because I made it so. 90% of these builds are shooting for some insane power number and actually making it work is always an afterthought. The cars that they are just keeping up with with 200whp more are the same cars that I can keep up with too.

 

soooooo true!! this is why my car will go to track first, then when asked ill have an accurate answer, even tho a dig and roll are of course different it will still answer the question and how ever ask can take the answer or assume how the car might do on the street how ever they like lol

 

Here's a few links about a stock K20, turbocharged, that lived a hard life from 2009 to the end of 2015 before breaking a rod in half at all but 800hp @ 34psi from a 6766.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/forced...-dyno-2831998/
https://honda-tech.com/forums/k-seri...right-3144444/
https://honda-tech.com/forums/forced...inued-3257649/
https://honda-tech.com/forums/drag-r...ceway-3214966/
https://honda-tech.com/forums/drag-r...-deux-3227121/

 

thanks mr Rob
these are some links and advice ive asking for , im glad someone understands what i asked for

 

i wondering why people bashing me for moving up to a 67mm when i believe rob has a 67 and no one bats an eye.... pretty bias if you ask me

 

I'm guessing they would say that the 67mm turbo has a lot of lag if the car is a street driven car I'm guessing. Or that you could achieve 650 or 700 with the 6266. I guess people may be concerned that if you do blow your motor it could take out the turbo as well. Just guesses.

 

again if people actually read my thread and seen the pics i posted , looking at the car driving on the street is asking to get pulled over. only has 1 seat, a full cage, NO PLASTICS inside, half a dashboard, no bumper, lexan all around, etc. i just think people pick and choose who to dick ride and who to bash

i take all comments as a compliment though

 

Did you get that lexan pre-cut of was it just a sheet that you guys cut out?.


I've got a similar set up as you, stock block a2 only springs and retainers and the rest is the same really aside from the intake manifold(90mm k-tuned). I get **** for my set up, but it doesn't bug me it's fun to do a "ratchet" type build, like you see in the Iamtaiboggie vids. I like seeing builds like this the most.

 

yea i got my lexan pre cut ready to take stickers off and use. great prices from my dude his instagram name is @mr_cisco

 

Any updates on when this will be tuned and ready for the drag strip?

 

i give it till first week of march... saving up for pistons n rods

 

Maybe you posted it already but what clutch are you using, and did you use the ktuned steel oil pan or a moroso? as the stock one is cast aluminum i'd assume it would be hard to weld the drain bung on it.

 

im using a stage 3 comp clutch kit... bought it brand new but im hearing a twin disk is a must for this set up so im getting that and selling the kit on my car .. the oil pan is stock and was tapped for oil line in house ( at hi boost )

 

Yah, I wouldn't trust much other than a twin disk for 600+whp. I'm limited with resources due to location, so I'm pretty well forced to buy pre-made stuff such as the moroso pan, didn't know the cast pan was weld-able.

 

yea it most deff is, i even tapped my b series pan when i boosted it too

 

I for one would love this and would ask for my forum to be moved to it.

 

2:15 AM
vibing with bae
side boob

 

picked up a k20 block with pistons and rods... about to send it out to get checked then ready to drop in my car, thinking about changing my goal to 9.8 pass
picked up a twin disk for a very fair price ...

 

put in lots of work now its time to see some results.. i will be sending the car to the shop friday to get the finishing touches with the upgrades.
i ordered 2200cc injectors so it should be in by monday.. hopefully tune next week, keeping the transmission stock ( no lsd, no obx )

hopefully throw some good boost and make a nice number, track is around the corner

(picture is with old 6266 turbo)

 

So its now got a built bottom end?

 

Well, now, let’s see. First and foremost, I just want kturbosquirtle to understand, that I want you to succeed…. No doubt, this seems like one helluva an emotional ride, and you’re coming to the end of it to do some great things with your car in a day & age in which this level of performance building is starting to wain in the face of a new era of enthusiasts that just don't give a **** anymore..

With that said, in this world of “fake news” vs. "alternative facts", I have to ensure that you understand that when you’ve constantly tried to turn against people that are giving suggestions, by
1) immediately go on the defensive that and make the presumption that people didn’t read your posts, or interpret them correctly,
2) not acknowledging that reinforcement of certain component is as standard no matter who gave the suggestion,
3) acting in a juvenile manner in showing apathy by attempting to brush “haters” off your shoulders by resorting to “thanks for bumping my thread” responses, I had to fact-check your own statements.

This isn’t hate, or an attempt to shame you. Just to show that sometimes we all have to be shown a mirror, and look at what we see, and come to grips to the fact that sometimes we put our foot in our mouths when we don't mean to. I’ve done it tons of times, so have many others.. But that’s part of how we all learn.So, please only look at this as a type of “one to grow on” moment. I swear, that after this, I’ll leave you alone. I won’t attempt to berate you or embarrass you, or try to have the “last word”. Real talk here. Here we go.

11-21-2016
I know.. that was the original plan.. We all remember.

12-31-2016
The response for this remained unanswered for a while. I honestly think you were considering changing a few things up. Especially when your 67mm “steal of a deal” came up.. But, you wanted to show strength in your convictions.. I get it. It’s quite alright. So, if you recall, that question came up again.


1-26-2016

Your answer was, Even when I defended you, in stating that you were going to reinforce the cylinder head with aftermarket valvesprings / retainers, I think even you have to agree, you & I came to (at least for a moment) a meeting of the minds.. So, now, with this 67mm turbo, your decision to not stay with a stock block, really began to sink into your mind. Again, it’s ok to admit that.. It just would have been nicer, (with more positive feedback) if you had done so from the beginning. But, I get it… Youth.. gotta show strength no matter what, right? So, you had to rationalize your decision.. Again, no fault thee, but you gave a rationale that just..well came off really, really badly….”Bigly”

1-30-2017

Ok.. ok. Now you’re just sounding like a hypocrite to keep what’s left of your dignity for the original "I'm trying to be different by doing a stock block" idea.. But I can see your gears turning to another direction. Based upon what your 2-28-2017 quote here:

2-28-2017
So, yes, Lightingteg, he has now officially changed his mind, although kturbosquirtle may state you didn’t read the information as a reflex action, (in which the text is hidden by the photo.) which is no problem at all. He just isn’t being clear about it.. Kturbosquirtle, you should know from me, that I’m not trying to bust your *****… You’re doing the right thing with a new block… go for the 9.8 second ¼ run, and do great things. But you can’t continue to blame other people for not seeing your information.. You just have to stop it. Because we do see what you’re posting. In fact, you’re making it rather easy to read. We were only trying to help out with that before you got yourself in too deep with your stock build.But you gotta stop pretending that we “just didn’t see it”, trying to pull some Jedi Mind-Trick on us, or that we’re throwing shade in your direction. You need to acknowledge that it’s ok, to admit that you’ve changed your mind, decided to use that sponge in between your ears, and adjusted your thinking for the good of your build.

I give serious kudos for that. We all do it here all the time. The difference is, we’ll just admit to that first. Otherwise, you’re gonna turn into this guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfcAuZl5Tvw

Yes, I definitely sound like I’m on some rant, or another soap box, and sure, I keep bumping your thread to help you show haters that you’re puttin’ in the work. But I’m really doing this for three specific reasons.

A) When you admit to changing the needs of your build, you just make a better build overall, and it shows others that when you skip steps, it can lead you down the wrong road. It isn’t “being different” if your car is on the side of the road, or slammed against the wall , or on a tow truck to be parted out later because you were being hard-headed. That’s denial.


B) Because I remember the 1st time when I had to be put in check by someone else online that simply had more experience than I did: It was a hard pill to swallow, and it hurt my pride, and damaged my ego. But it was the best lesson that I learned when it came to my craft, and I respect that person after over 12 years today for that lesson. In many areas , I’m still learning, and there’s nothing wrong with that. The Great Marceillus Wallace said this:


C) Other people look at your thread as a guide, whether you want them to or not. If you omit important facts, or make your intentions vague, they’re going to go through even more costly mistakes than you will. The purpose of this forum originally was to educate, give guidance, and help your fellow man as he struggles through getting his dream together. Not just bragging, boasting, and dismissing other builds for no reason. That’s been going on for a while, and I’m just one person, but I’m trying to put a stop to it, and go back to basics.

Again, please understand I hold you in the highest regard here. And you'll more than likely use the normal "Cool Story, Bro", or "TL;DR" response to this little pamphlet I made, but, at least I know others will read it for what it is without too much in the way of over-interpretation.

So, sorry for the book, everyone, but I genuinely do wish kturbosquirtle the best of luck, regardless of what he thinks I believe.

 

thats what i have will be installed over the weekend

 

i like your thought but it was incorrect, when i asked for advice on a stock block i got a whole bunch of info i never asked for so i basically ignored it, when the advice was posted what i was looking for i rook it. getting all these upgrades at the time i did was because getting a better job with a nice raise, if you read in the beginning threads i stated not building my motor to be different, test the true stock block limits and because building a motor was out of my budget, being that i came across some money and a bunch of deals and came across a nice turbo i decided to work around it by buying mods.

i never found my initial true answer for a stock block because when i hit the dyno it will be built but i do plan on starting another turbo k20 build, this time everything will be oem