Width Does Matter
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Re: Width Does Matter (.RJ)
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...or they are racing 1/2 scale models...
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Re: Width Does Matter (1gTeg90)
I thought I remembered a course map that seemed to indicate that you could run the new course in several different configurations. Could it be possible that that particular turn is in a section that could be bypassed for wheel-to-wheel racing???
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Re: Width Does Matter (JeffS)
Actually, those guys only actually use a very narrow bit of the width of that track, the rest is so that cars can get several full spinning revolutions in before they hit the outside wall. You know, more room to slide = more tire smoke = more cheers from crowd at ensuing carnage = better TV ratings.
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Re: Width Does Matter (1gTeg90)
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Thats a requirement at the start of every Spec Miata race. If someone doesn't go off before turn 3 they black flag and restart.
Just kidding. Kind of.
And I'm not referring to one turn at Shenandoah but the whole track in general. Its half as wide as this one (Barber), has more turns, more hairpins, and is the same length. Hmmm... I know where I'd rather race.
Also, looking at how many turns at Shanandoah are a rocks throw from another section of track... Do you suppose they'll put armco everywhere of just let cars cross the grass and crash into oncoming traffic?
Scott, whos amazed at how some folks can complain about the brake wear and trees at CMP but look at Shenandoah and say "cool." <scratches head>
PS - I'm betting Maddmatt and Andie Lin are loving this new track at Summit. Assuming of course that you can actually get going fast enough to wear your brakes out.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Thats a requirement at the start of every Spec Miata race. If someone doesn't go off before turn 3 they black flag and restart.
Just kidding. Kind of.
And I'm not referring to one turn at Shenandoah but the whole track in general. Its half as wide as this one (Barber), has more turns, more hairpins, and is the same length. Hmmm... I know where I'd rather race.
Also, looking at how many turns at Shanandoah are a rocks throw from another section of track... Do you suppose they'll put armco everywhere of just let cars cross the grass and crash into oncoming traffic?
Scott, whos amazed at how some folks can complain about the brake wear and trees at CMP but look at Shenandoah and say "cool." <scratches head>
PS - I'm betting Maddmatt and Andie Lin are loving this new track at Summit. Assuming of course that you can actually get going fast enough to wear your brakes out.
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Re: Width Does Matter (Catch 22)
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Actually I'm thinking Kingrat will be loving it since he'll have an inventory of pads 5 miles from Summit. Me? Not so much with the love
Actually I'm thinking Kingrat will be loving it since he'll have an inventory of pads 5 miles from Summit. Me? Not so much with the love
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Re: Width Does Matter (Catch 22)
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Scott, whos amazed at how some folks can complain about the brake wear and trees at CMP but look at Shenandoah and say "cool." <scratches head>
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I had the exact same thought. Most of the vocal CMP haters are from NOVA. I've always thought the distance from their location had more effect on their opinion than the track itself.
Who's to say that this track was built as a "race" track. Maybe the owner decided to build whatever he wanted to drive personally. Maybe there's enough HPDE money to not be dependent on race groups - maybe they're really wanting a suitable karting track...
Scott, whos amazed at how some folks can complain about the brake wear and trees at CMP but look at Shenandoah and say "cool." <scratches head>
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I had the exact same thought. Most of the vocal CMP haters are from NOVA. I've always thought the distance from their location had more effect on their opinion than the track itself.
Who's to say that this track was built as a "race" track. Maybe the owner decided to build whatever he wanted to drive personally. Maybe there's enough HPDE money to not be dependent on race groups - maybe they're really wanting a suitable karting track...
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Re: Width Does Matter (JeffS)
Maybe all those maybes are true. Just maybe.
Jeff, you gotta make a trek to Barber. You've made the drive to Talladega, so I know the extra .5 hour won't hurt to run such a great track.
There's 2 SCCA events scheduled there in 2004 and I sincerely hope to do both.
Jeff, you gotta make a trek to Barber. You've made the drive to Talladega, so I know the extra .5 hour won't hurt to run such a great track.
There's 2 SCCA events scheduled there in 2004 and I sincerely hope to do both.
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Re: Width Does Matter (Catch 22)
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Welcome to America my brotha!
Thats one great thing about this country, your more than welcome to stay in Georgia and race...if you dont like Summit, dont show up. Simple.
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Welcome to America my brotha!
Thats one great thing about this country, your more than welcome to stay in Georgia and race...if you dont like Summit, dont show up. Simple.
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Re: Width Does Matter (Johnny Tran)
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Welcome to America my brotha!
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Yep. And because its America I can freely voice my opinion on the folks at Summit continuing to half-*** everything they do but still charge just as much money for the use of their facilities as VIR, Road Atlanta, and Barber.
And you, because its America, have the ability and right to let the folks at Summit know that their main track has patches and heaves all over it, Jefferson is laughable, and the track they're building now will be pretty tough to enjoy in anything but a kart or a motorcycle. If you do this, they just MIGHT listen. Entry fees just MIGHT go down to a little less than the full course at VIR and they MIGHT put some effort into maintaining the main course... Might.
But, if you choose to keep talking about how great they are, paying their ridiculous fees, and supporting their actions, they'll continue to charge you more and more money without putting it back into the facility. The main circuit is LONG overdue for a resurface... But why should they bother with that when they can take your money and stuff another track on the corner of their property? Hell, that'll rake in even more revenue each weekend. Will this extra revenue help the cost of using the main course go down??? Don't count on it.
Scott, who figures the fine folks at Summit will be charging you poor ******* even MORE next year to cover the cost of the new kart track construction. Yeah, have fun with that.
Welcome to America my brotha!
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Yep. And because its America I can freely voice my opinion on the folks at Summit continuing to half-*** everything they do but still charge just as much money for the use of their facilities as VIR, Road Atlanta, and Barber.
And you, because its America, have the ability and right to let the folks at Summit know that their main track has patches and heaves all over it, Jefferson is laughable, and the track they're building now will be pretty tough to enjoy in anything but a kart or a motorcycle. If you do this, they just MIGHT listen. Entry fees just MIGHT go down to a little less than the full course at VIR and they MIGHT put some effort into maintaining the main course... Might.
But, if you choose to keep talking about how great they are, paying their ridiculous fees, and supporting their actions, they'll continue to charge you more and more money without putting it back into the facility. The main circuit is LONG overdue for a resurface... But why should they bother with that when they can take your money and stuff another track on the corner of their property? Hell, that'll rake in even more revenue each weekend. Will this extra revenue help the cost of using the main course go down??? Don't count on it.
Scott, who figures the fine folks at Summit will be charging you poor ******* even MORE next year to cover the cost of the new kart track construction. Yeah, have fun with that.
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Re: Width Does Matter (mor ber)
I like Summit. I also don't have 1000 lb/in rear springs....
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Re: Width Does Matter (Catch 22)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Catch 22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe all those maybes are true. Just maybe.
Jeff, you gotta make a trek to Barber. You've made the drive to Talladega, so I know the extra .5 hour won't hurt to run such a great track.
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I would definitely like to find an event I can run at Barber. Maybe once the newness wears off a little.
Jeff, you gotta make a trek to Barber. You've made the drive to Talladega, so I know the extra .5 hour won't hurt to run such a great track.
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I would definitely like to find an event I can run at Barber. Maybe once the newness wears off a little.
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Re: Width Does Matter (Catch 22)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Catch 22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And you, because its America, have the ability and right to let the folks at Summit know that their main track has patches and heaves all over it, Jefferson is laughable, and the track they're building now will be pretty tough to enjoy in anything but a kart or a motorcycle.</TD></TR></TABLE>Why would I want to do that?
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Re: Width Does Matter (MaddMatt)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MaddMatt »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I like Summit. I also don't have 1000 lb/in rear springs....</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's actually not *so* bad on the 1000 pound springs. I mean, it's bumpy as hell, and you notice it, but the car doesn't dance around like you'd think.
Things I don't like about Summit include the pavement (duh), the facilities (duh), and the 5+ hour tow to get up there to enjoy those things. I also don't like the fact that a number of friends have written off or seriously bent cars there by going off. But the layout is great, and turns like 4 and 10 really test ones testicular fortitude.
For my part, I like it better than Roebling. To me, Roebling's pavement is just as bad, and the facilities aren't exactly great. Plus, Summit holds a certain amount of sentimental value for me as my first HPDE in my own car was there.
I'll withold judgement on the new track until I see it finished and/or drive it. But just from seeing the areas they cleared for paving, I already don't like the way it doubles back on itself so much...seems to me that an off in some places would land you three turns away and in the path of oncoming traffic. Either that, or they'll have to put up lots of tire walls and kitty litter to avoid such a mess.
Hell, it's a new racetrack. I guess I'll try it at least once just out of principle.
It's actually not *so* bad on the 1000 pound springs. I mean, it's bumpy as hell, and you notice it, but the car doesn't dance around like you'd think.
Things I don't like about Summit include the pavement (duh), the facilities (duh), and the 5+ hour tow to get up there to enjoy those things. I also don't like the fact that a number of friends have written off or seriously bent cars there by going off. But the layout is great, and turns like 4 and 10 really test ones testicular fortitude.
For my part, I like it better than Roebling. To me, Roebling's pavement is just as bad, and the facilities aren't exactly great. Plus, Summit holds a certain amount of sentimental value for me as my first HPDE in my own car was there.
I'll withold judgement on the new track until I see it finished and/or drive it. But just from seeing the areas they cleared for paving, I already don't like the way it doubles back on itself so much...seems to me that an off in some places would land you three turns away and in the path of oncoming traffic. Either that, or they'll have to put up lots of tire walls and kitty litter to avoid such a mess.
Hell, it's a new racetrack. I guess I'll try it at least once just out of principle.
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Re: Width Does Matter (krshultz)
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I agree. I *don't* like spending 3/4+ of a lap in a turn because my 2700lb pig of a Sentra has nothing for a freaking 2200lb Civic at all anywhere ever at that track except for the front straight. Roebling's pavement sucked 4 years ago and hasn't improved with age. I suppose lack of a real winter with its freezing temps has kept it from falling completely apart. The only thing I *don't* like about Summit is the fact isn't a solid 6 hour drive in a buzzy, stiffly sprung (for the street) car and I'm deaf and numb when I get out of it. If CMP wasn't ~1.5 hrs away, I'd never, ever, ever go back there again. Ever.
But, dinner on the Savannah waterfront during prom week is a serious redeeming feature. Cork Street Tavern's ribs in downtown Winchester are coming on strong, but I'll give the nod to surf-and-turf and watching the debutants walking down the stone staircase outside of the Chart House anyday. Good God man!!!
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I agree. I *don't* like spending 3/4+ of a lap in a turn because my 2700lb pig of a Sentra has nothing for a freaking 2200lb Civic at all anywhere ever at that track except for the front straight. Roebling's pavement sucked 4 years ago and hasn't improved with age. I suppose lack of a real winter with its freezing temps has kept it from falling completely apart. The only thing I *don't* like about Summit is the fact isn't a solid 6 hour drive in a buzzy, stiffly sprung (for the street) car and I'm deaf and numb when I get out of it. If CMP wasn't ~1.5 hrs away, I'd never, ever, ever go back there again. Ever.
But, dinner on the Savannah waterfront during prom week is a serious redeeming feature. Cork Street Tavern's ribs in downtown Winchester are coming on strong, but I'll give the nod to surf-and-turf and watching the debutants walking down the stone staircase outside of the Chart House anyday. Good God man!!!
Matt<---knows the nightlife, dinner and whatnot makes for a better overall experience, and CMP sucks *** in every way possible....
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Re: Width Does Matter (krshultz)
Why would I want to do that?
Well Will, because the customer is always right.
and...
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Things I don't like about Summit include the pavement (duh), the facilities (duh), and the 5+ hour tow to get up there to enjoy those things. I also don't like the fact that a number of friends have written off or seriously bent cars there by going off...
But just from seeing the areas they cleared for paving, I already don't like the way it doubles back on itself so much...seems to me that an off in some places would land you three turns away and in the path of oncoming traffic. Either that, or they'll have to put up lots of tire walls and kitty litter to avoid such a mess.
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If some of you guys who love Summit soooooo much would consider sharing some of these things with the management, something MIGHT happen. Maybe they'd at least clean the bathroom in the paddock once a week or so (and is it actually true that DC region SCCA workers took up a collection to build themselves a nice bathroom there?).
Or... You could just go on quietly paying $300 a weekend to use a crappy track and swat gnats off your dick while you're trying to ****.
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For my part, I like it better than Roebling. To me, Roebling's pavement is just as bad, and the facilities aren't exactly great.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree. I'll also note that the last race weekend at Roebling (The SIC) carried an entry fee of $125. A 2nd rate track should be cheaper to run and Roebling falls into that category. Summit does not (and thats pretty much my point).
Well Will, because the customer is always right.
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Things I don't like about Summit include the pavement (duh), the facilities (duh), and the 5+ hour tow to get up there to enjoy those things. I also don't like the fact that a number of friends have written off or seriously bent cars there by going off...
But just from seeing the areas they cleared for paving, I already don't like the way it doubles back on itself so much...seems to me that an off in some places would land you three turns away and in the path of oncoming traffic. Either that, or they'll have to put up lots of tire walls and kitty litter to avoid such a mess.
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If some of you guys who love Summit soooooo much would consider sharing some of these things with the management, something MIGHT happen. Maybe they'd at least clean the bathroom in the paddock once a week or so (and is it actually true that DC region SCCA workers took up a collection to build themselves a nice bathroom there?).
Or... You could just go on quietly paying $300 a weekend to use a crappy track and swat gnats off your dick while you're trying to ****.
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For my part, I like it better than Roebling. To me, Roebling's pavement is just as bad, and the facilities aren't exactly great.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree. I'll also note that the last race weekend at Roebling (The SIC) carried an entry fee of $125. A 2nd rate track should be cheaper to run and Roebling falls into that category. Summit does not (and thats pretty much my point).
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Re: Width Does Matter (MaddMatt)
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Matt<---knows the nightlife, dinner and whatnot makes for a better overall experience, and CMP sucks *** in every way possible....</TD></TR></TABLE>
You are so wrong. So very wrong.
The most off track fun I've EVER had on a weekend was at CMP. Gus's owns j00, and just sitting around the Executioner drinking beer and sharing stories kicks far more *** than waiting 2 hours for a table for 10 and then overpaying for a meal at a nice restaurant.
JMHO though.
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You are so wrong. So very wrong.
The most off track fun I've EVER had on a weekend was at CMP. Gus's owns j00, and just sitting around the Executioner drinking beer and sharing stories kicks far more *** than waiting 2 hours for a table for 10 and then overpaying for a meal at a nice restaurant.
JMHO though.
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Re: Width Does Matter (Catch 22)
I don't know what restaurants you go to, but I've never waited more than 20 minutes and never paid more than $20. Trust me, early May on the waterfront (prom season). Get a table outside at the bottom of the stone staricase outside the Chart House. *TRUST* me on this one Scott...
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You mean, like their Caesar salad with iceberg lettuce, onions and tomoatos. With ranch dressing....
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You mean, like their Caesar salad with iceberg lettuce, onions and tomoatos. With ranch dressing....
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Re: Width Does Matter (MaddMatt)
The Gus's experience has nothing at all to do with the food.
I've had a blast every time I've been to CMP because of the people I was with, not because of the food or woman watching.
Happened at CMP...
- The E Prod Protest (ca - lip - pers?)
- Bees
- Old BMWs smell like libraries
- The Sprocket
- Band Camp
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Something about CMP spurs comic creativity. Maybe its cause there's nuthin' else to do?
I've had a blast every time I've been to CMP because of the people I was with, not because of the food or woman watching.
Happened at CMP...
- The E Prod Protest (ca - lip - pers?)
- Bees
- Old BMWs smell like libraries
- The Sprocket
- Band Camp
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Something about CMP spurs comic creativity. Maybe its cause there's nuthin' else to do?
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Re: Width Does Matter (Catch 22)
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In the food service industry maybe.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Catch 22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">would consider sharing some of these things with the management, something MIGHT happen.</TD></TR></TABLE>
main track has patches and heaves all over it So? I have no problem driving on Summit's surface. Why would I want to share with them that I have no problem driving on the track?
Jefferson is laughable How is it laughable? I find no laugh-ability in the track and enjoy driving in it (both CW and CCW). Why would I want to share with them that I find no laugh-ability in the track and enjoy driving in it?
the track they're building now will be pretty tough to enjoy in anything but a kart or a motorcycle. Do you have a set of construction plans in front of you? Do you have finished pictures of the track? Have you talked to the designer of the track about the finished product? Have you talked to Bill Scott about the finished product? Why would I want to share with them things I don't know everything about? Sure... Bill sat down with a group of instructors (me included) about a year and change ago telling us about the track, it's layout, and showed us drawings of the track.... but that does not matter.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Catch 22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe they'd at least clean the bathroom in the paddock once a week or so</TD></TR></TABLE> I have no issue with the bathrooms or paddock at Summit... taking a dump in the 'old' bathroom is better than taking a dump in a porta-potty. Why would I want to share with them about the bathroom and paddock cleanliness? Seems like you have a problem with the bathroom/paddock... why have you not spoked with them about it?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Catch 22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Or... You could just go on quietly paying $300 a weekend to use a crappy track and swat gnats off your dick while you're trying to ****.</TD></TR></TABLE>I have not paid to drive Summit in over 3 years.
Crappy track? What planet do you live on? What is your agenda?
Gnats? I had no problem with them when I was camping at "HyperMess" this past July... sleeping outside without a tent is quite fun.
Even the mosquito's did not even bother me when I was pissing (both in the bathroom and in the woods).
Width does not matter.... and extra pavement is just that 'extra'.
Even VIR needs to have narrower straights. IMO
In the food service industry maybe.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Catch 22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">would consider sharing some of these things with the management, something MIGHT happen.</TD></TR></TABLE>
main track has patches and heaves all over it So? I have no problem driving on Summit's surface. Why would I want to share with them that I have no problem driving on the track?
Jefferson is laughable How is it laughable? I find no laugh-ability in the track and enjoy driving in it (both CW and CCW). Why would I want to share with them that I find no laugh-ability in the track and enjoy driving in it?
the track they're building now will be pretty tough to enjoy in anything but a kart or a motorcycle. Do you have a set of construction plans in front of you? Do you have finished pictures of the track? Have you talked to the designer of the track about the finished product? Have you talked to Bill Scott about the finished product? Why would I want to share with them things I don't know everything about? Sure... Bill sat down with a group of instructors (me included) about a year and change ago telling us about the track, it's layout, and showed us drawings of the track.... but that does not matter.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Catch 22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe they'd at least clean the bathroom in the paddock once a week or so</TD></TR></TABLE> I have no issue with the bathrooms or paddock at Summit... taking a dump in the 'old' bathroom is better than taking a dump in a porta-potty. Why would I want to share with them about the bathroom and paddock cleanliness? Seems like you have a problem with the bathroom/paddock... why have you not spoked with them about it?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Catch 22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Or... You could just go on quietly paying $300 a weekend to use a crappy track and swat gnats off your dick while you're trying to ****.</TD></TR></TABLE>I have not paid to drive Summit in over 3 years.
Crappy track? What planet do you live on? What is your agenda?
Gnats? I had no problem with them when I was camping at "HyperMess" this past July... sleeping outside without a tent is quite fun.
Even the mosquito's did not even bother me when I was pissing (both in the bathroom and in the woods).Width does not matter.... and extra pavement is just that 'extra'.
Even VIR needs to have narrower straights. IMO