i currenty have a 93 si with a b18c1 motor and boltons. i removed pretty much everyting in the interior over this winter and i thnk i get bumped to E-MOD.

i still plan by next season to have the sunroof replaced with a plug and a fiberglass hoodskin. that will get me down to right about 2200lbs with me in it the car. i really have no other weight reduction that i can think of.

so the question is, what will it take to make my car competitive in E-MOD? im not worried about locally since there is only 2 other people that ever run in that class and they never post any better times than the people in SM or even STS. on a national level is there any chance of my car being competeitive?

i want to stay NA so please keep that in mind.

 

what currently wins EM:

-400 whp
-RWD
-1200 lbs
-narrower than your car
-downforce
-top driver

of course... with a NA B18, you're in DM, so change the above to the following:

-300 whp
-RWD
-1000 lbs
-narrower than your car
-downforce
-top driver

 

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of course... with a NA B18, you're in DM, so change the above to the following:

-300 whp
-RWD
-1000 lbs
-narrower than your car
-downforce
-top driver</TD></TR></TABLE>

What about the del sol... its been in the trophies a couple times if I recal. I'm not saying that's competitive, but its not too bad either.

EDIT : this car was barely a Del Sol...

 

D-mod is pretty much dominated by tiny Lotus 7s and similar "not really a production car" cars. Most are under 1800lbs and have 200+rwhp. They run real slicks and handle extremely well.

Making a FWD competitive is difficult. Especially a production based car.

 

Honestly, I don't think that combination has any shot at being competitive on a National level. 2200 lbs is way to heavy. Check out last years nationals results to see a list of the cars you are up against. Doesn't look good.

http://www.scca.org/amateur/so....html

 

ok, so i have no chance. thanks for the info. ill just have to try to be competitive in my region then.

im thinking maybe i should try to reinstall my panels and as much interior as i can to be moved back to SM.

 

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either that or buy a car that can be competitive in D-mod...

 

fwiw, Se7en kits are one of the new "cool" things to build, and there's nothing like driving one. They're amazing, and not that expensive.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GERM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok, so i have no chance. thanks for the info. ill just have to try to be competitive in my region then.

im thinking maybe i should try to reinstall my panels and as much interior as i can to be moved back to SM. </TD></TR></TABLE> LOL. welcome to "my last year" and my plans for this year .... going back into SM....

*I do wish I had a lotus super seven... an S2000 powered one !

 

also good luck getting that si down to 2200 with you in the car. maybe if you way in at around 49 to 50 pounds it might be possible

later
matt

 

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so the question is, what will it take to make my car competitive in E-MOD? im </TD></TR></TABLE>

You won't like the answer but can be summed up in 3 words..

Alot of cash

A "something other than British power"ed British car, lightened to all hell with someone behind the wheel with enough stuff packed in his shorts to keep to loud pedal down most of the time..

I've driven a "mid pack at best" Dmod Spitfire with an Alfa engine and the thing was scary..

I can't imagine what the REAL fast guys are feeling..

Jeff

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mgast &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also good luck getting that si down to 2200 with you in the car. maybe if you way in at around 49 to 50 pounds it might be possible

later
matt</TD></TR></TABLE>

'thanks for your reply and all, but i corner weighted my car and its 2104 and still has the sunroof and stock hood. i can easily get 50 lbs off by getting a sunroof plug and a fiberglass hood skin. i weigh 155 so yeah, i can get it down to 2200 with me in it.

 

I think that being a front-driver is the first problem. I've toyed with ideas for an D-mod Integra, but those fantasies involved chopping off everything forward of the firewall and behind the C-pillar, building tube subframes and converting to RWD.

Needless to say I won't be getting around to that anytime soon

 

than it has to be pretty gutted to be that light for an si

later
matt

 

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later
matt</TD></TR></TABLE>

completely gutted actually. only two momo rookie seats, the outer shell of the dash and a momo steering wheel. everything else including the head unit/speakers/and everything not needed behind the dash has been removed. its a tin can.

 

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so you'll be somewhere around 2200+ in SM trim...?

 

carpet, and the required pannels that i need to be back into SM will only add about 25lbs or so. thats no big deal.

i dont have to put back in the glove box and other lower dash/behind dash components do i? i think after the sunroof is replaced and i get a fiberglass hoodskin, i will be around 2250 or so with me in it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GERM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">carpet, and the required pannels that i need to be back into SM will only add about 25lbs or so. thats no big deal.

i dont have to put back in the glove box and other lower dash/behind dash components do i? i think after the sunroof is replaced and i get a fiberglass hoodskin, i will be around 2250 or so with me in it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

the entire dash has to be back together. And you cannot do a sunroof plug last time I checked.

the hood is legal.

 

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I think the 02' results are best for comparisons because weather was very consistent for the whole week. No rain or even many clouds.

With that in mind, John Thomas would have finished 3rd in DM in an old EP Civic. It would be so cool if he and Lombardo would build that car for DM someday... Of course, JT is the only one with a prayer of taking a DM title in a FWD. Maybe Daddio...

BTW, does anyone else think it would be really fun to watch those 2 compete in identically prepped FWD's? I wish JT had done the Rev It Up...

 

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I think the 02' results are best for comparisons because weather was very consistent for the whole week. No rain or even many clouds.

With that in mind, John Thomas would have finished 3rd in DM in an old EP Civic. It would be so cool if he and Lombardo would build that car for DM someday... Of course, JT is the only one with a prayer of taking a DM title in a FWD. Maybe Daddio...

BTW, does anyone else think it would be really fun to watch those 2 compete in identically prepped FWD's? I wish JT had done the Rev It Up...</TD></TR></TABLE>


The reason why JT is that damn fast in that thing is because they've had 10+ years to develop it. And for one, it's a HELLAVA lot lighter than 2200 lbs. And it makes decent power for what it is. The suspension isn't even "that" worked. They could make that car faster...but why? it wins every year it shows up.

 

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The reason why JT is that damn fast in that thing is because they've had 10+ years to develop it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well the only problem is, they were winning championships in it the "first" year.

The car is remarkably simple. I looked over it real good and came away feeling... bad. Even has the stock drum brakes on the back. I really expected to see a show when it left the line, but in terms of acceleration it's thoroughly unimpressive. That car has one overwhelming advantage. JT. I can't imagine what kind of results John would get if that car actually had some power. Heck, might screw him up... Of course, I can say that I have never seen anything short of a shifter kart go through a long slalom like that car did (with john driving).

 

well, after looking ove rmy regions D mod standings from last year, i think ill keep my car the way it is for a while and try to be competitive. there are only 4 other people running in this class and 2 of them are civics. the winner averaged about the same times as a guy i know who won sts last season with a 89 hatch. my times were pretty equal to his, so i think i have a chance. if i happen to want some more competition, ill just throw the interior back in and run SM.

thanks for the help though guys

 

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Well the only problem is, they were winning championships in it the "first" year.

The car is remarkably simple. I looked over it real good and came away feeling... bad. Even has the stock drum brakes on the back. I really expected to see a show when it left the line, but in terms of acceleration it's thoroughly unimpressive. That car has one overwhelming advantage. JT. I can't imagine what kind of results John would get if that car actually had some power. Heck, might screw him up... Of course, I can say that I have never seen anything short of a shifter kart go through a long slalom like that car did (with john driving).</TD></TR></TABLE>

JT is one of the best ever, but that car is no slouch. The mannix/wenzel SuperRabbit had a TON of engineering into it, was really fast, and both of them are really good drivers as well, and were able to split Lambardo and JT. I still think a lot of it is the car's dial in time, and before the Mannix/Wenzel Rabbit, a lack of real competition.

And if you want to see something slalom....*REAL* AM cars

 

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I still think a lot of it is the car's dial in time, and before the Mannix/Wenzel Rabbit, a lack of real competition.

And if you want to see something slalom....*REAL* AM cars</TD></TR></TABLE>

No doubt. The Lombardo Civic is certainly one of the best developed cars out ever. As for lack of competition, I think that's why a lot of folks look beyond the class to compare JT's times. That's what makes him so good. Heck, his times stack up pretty good to F Mod even.

I did get to watch the "phantom" in 2002. Amazing... I have major respect for the guys that drive that car.