If you took a 5th gen Prelude and swaped an H22 Type S engine in it. Would it be considered a Hybrid?

 

why would you do that? All you really need is the cams i think. Very similar to the US version.

 

yes but cams arnet allowed on a non-hybrid HC car.

Better to leave the engine stock, add bolt-ons and a limited slip.

 

Hybrid all they way, droping in a 220HP motor in a car with normally 195HP..

The whole valveterain is different, pistions are, and something else, oh yea, throttlebody...

 

Yes, hybrid. Different head, valve train, cams, TB, etc...
Don, just sell the car.

 

Yes, a couple drove it last night. They said their going to check with their bank and get back to me.

mmmm...H22 in a civic hatch???

 

hmmmmm..... understeer!

A b series engine would be a much better swap w/o adding all that weight to the front end, unless you're going drag racing...

 

[QUOTE]hmmmmm..... understeer!

A b series engine would be a much better swap w/o adding all that weight to the front end, unless you're going drag racing...
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But what if you (dare I say) add weight to the rear to balance the car?

 

h22 motor is 50-60lbs heavier than a b-series motor if my memory is correct. one easy way to start to balance it out is to relocate the battery to the trunk. i believe HASport has an h22 powered hatchback that they race on road courses and they are happy with its performance.

Brian

 

I think REALLY high rear springs rates would be needed, but it would be hard to turn.. unfortunally, the battery has to say in the stock location =~(

 

put some cement in the rear part of the cage

Brian

 

Leave the spare tire in.

 

I really think I would like to enter an H22 Civic hatchback in the HC. I'd like to prove (maybe only to myself) that a car like that can be setup well enough for road course duty. I'll probably change my mind tomorrow and decide that I'll want to do it again on Thursday, but I think it'd be interesting to see how it performs.

 

if you build it you will clown them ALL

 

Misa, you can help build it, too.

 

No need to add weight. Less is always better (well, 99% of teh time anyways). Just have to play with spring rates and shizzle to make it work.

Plenty of things to move around to help balance as well. More rear bracing on cage. Fire suppression mounted all the way back. Locate fuel cell, pump, etc as far rear as possible/legal. Leave in the rear speakers so you can chill to Jimmy Buffett in the grid.

I doubt the extra 50lbs of H22 is going to fawq up the handling that bad. And the extra torque on corner exit is probably worth it. My biggest concern would be cost - aren't H22s more $$$ to repair/replace/rebuild?

 

From what I understand, they are less than GSR motors, a lot of times. The mount kit may be pretty expensive, however, but that's a one time deal.

 

THAT is exactly what I don't understand! Every time anyone mentions an H22 in a civic the comeback is that it would be great in the straight and as a drag racer but it would be for chit on anything with a curve in it. We're not talking about an extra 300 lbs on the front bumper. I'm just not understanding why the H22 swap idea seems to be brushed aside as "not worth it".

 

i dont think the weight would be as far forward as a b series motor as well because the h series motor is tilted back. it may not be much of an angle but i imagine it would effect weight distribution in its favor

Brian

 

Hell, I was driving around this weekend with a 200 or so lb. instructor in my right seat. Sure I could feel it, but if he were to add 50lb/ft of torque to my car like an H22 would, it would be a good bit less noticable.

 

Putting an H22... errr shoehorning one in a hb is more involved than a b engine.

Is it worth the hassle? To me no. My friend has one in his hb. No front sway & a 22 mm rear one. Still understeer. He is going to mess w/ spring rates to see how it handles. He doesnt really care much for road racing... drag is his thing. I wish he would road race it so we can have some knowledge on it.

I think it would handle well. Hell... a Mustang or Camaro can actually handle if you throw enough suspension at it... right?!?!?!

Pete

 

If I could do a project, I would put a B18c in a hatch. Nothing like revving that motor to 8K+. Torque is not the real answer on the racetrack, horsepower is. That's why type Rs can hang with the much more torque of the bmw in the world challenge. More torque helps those initial moment coming off a turn, but once you're on the straight and got the revs up, it's horsepower all the way. I would prefer a lighter, better corner balanced b18c civic hatch (referring to front/rear ratio) that can keep up with an H22 on the straights. But who knows what's really best. I'd gladly do anyone a favor and test both motors for them!!

I also heard that the H22 is not exactly a direct bolt in, while the B motors are. Plus I know a guy with a B18c1 (gsr) motor in his civic hatch and with the final drive and other suspension mods he runs 1:46s around road atlanta. For a full street car, that's awesome. (he is also a panoz school instructor..)

 

I guess it depends on what track your dealing with. If it has a lot oif straights, then HP is always good. But if its curvey, then you need the torque to pull out of them....but then you have the issue of 'you need awsome suspention to handle the extra H22 weight distribution' so it may not handle that well IN the turns. This is what I think I'm reading from everyone......

 

You got me confused. There is no such this as Horsepower. Dynos read torque and mathmatically convert it to Horsepower. You change the torque, you change the HP.

Somebody help with this??????

 

you my friend are correct......