Is a car with an engine swap that COULD have been OE with the car considered a hybrid?

IE. An Integra RS with a GSR motor? Still in the H3 class, or bumped to H1?

Thanks.

 

Yes a GSR Engine in a RS would be in H3 as long as they are both 2nd gen or third gen. , as long as the tub is the same you can stay in your class.

You could not put a GSR engine in a Type R and stay in H3

You could not put a 99-00 Civic SI engine in a 4 Door Civic and stay in H3

You can put a 99-00 Civic Si Engine in a same Gen 2 Door civic and stay in H3

That Help?

 

If the tub is the same and all other components which are not free per the rulebook are swaped as well, then you are fine.

With non-typer G3 integras, the motor is the only difference but for other models, like Civics for example there are parts other then just the motor which need to be swaped to be legal.

There is a ncie long thread on this in here a while back. If I can find it again I will post the link.

 

Thanks a lot guys. I am thinking of buying a used, beat 3rd gen RS to save some $$ and swap in a GSR motor. I just wanted to make sure I wouldn't bump myself into the hybrid class. Gotta start off small.

 

If you really want to save some $$, why not just biuld the RS and stay in H4. If you can learn to drive a lower power car fast (momentum cars) you will be that much faster when you step up to something with more power!! And the RS is not really a bad car. That engine has more torque down low than the GSR motor and with some tuning it could be pretty potent.

 

Has anyone else noticed that the words quick, ECHC, and question don't really belong in the same sentence?

Warren

 

I'm with StageOne. Build the RS for now - it will run H4 with NASA-ECHC or ITA with the SCCA. It would be competitive in both. The GSRized RS would run H3 with NASA-ECHC, and potentially be an orphan with the SCCA (the tub/motor rules vary slightly - SCCA requires a certain number of VIN tags to prove legality).

 

The idea here is that you can buy a same-performing "tub" if needed. The H3 "Type R tub" swap that Solracer describes is not legal.

Warren, the rules are actually rather simple...it's just the questions that are complicated

--Karl, who reminds everyone AGAIN that this is the first time we have written a rule book...and thinks we did a pretty good job of it....

 

I can do it....

"You really can't question how fast Warren was running at the last ECHC race."

Anyways, so the consensus is stick with the RS motor and work on the driver? Sounds like sound reasoning to me. BUT, chances are I am not going to find a 94-95 RS with a motor capable of standing up to the abuse of racing.

Should I rebuild the RS motor or just swap in a newer GS-R motor? Seems like the latter would be the better choice in this situation. Guess I have to wait a while and see what I actually find.

 

 

When I asked this question before, I was told by Scott that swapping a GS-R motor into an RS shell would in fact make it a hybrid, since the GS-R shares tubs with the GS/LS, but the RS does not have a sunroof amongst a few other differences. I cannot remember the exact reasons, but there was concrete proof as to why this would not be a legal H3 car.

I have a '95 RS for sale with 66k miles on it and a strong motor. It's not much of a beater though since all the mechanicals have been anally well-maintained.

 

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Uhmm hence the Could not

 

where are you located and how much?

 

<< Anyways, so the consensus is stick with the RS motor and work on the driver? Sounds like sound reasoning to me. BUT, chances are I am not going to find a 94-95 RS with a motor capable of standing up to the abuse of racing. >>

my experiences with the LS B18A/B motor has been that it is awesomely reliable, even with lots of street miles and lots and lots of track miles. my 1st LS motor (130k plus miles with at least 15k track miles) is now down in my basement, taking a rest. it still runs perfect and feels as strong as the day I started running it. never a breakdown, hiccup, or even a "putt". LS motors can take tons of abuse!!!

Todd

PS my current motor is a junk yard rescued, rebuilt, B18A. I love it! I guess I'm a "black sheep" in the H1 squadron; I believe I am the only non-vtec engined car in H1!!!!!

 

I didn't realize the 3rd gen teg RS is in H4. Definitely give that a thought because it should make for a *great* car. The 2nd gens with slightly less power are top ITA (H4) cars right now, so the 3rd gen should be even better. SCCA has the 3rd gen RS classified in ITS and I remember running against one a couple of times before. It definitely had a lot of speed! Still, you won't be hearing that great vtec sound in an RS.

 

I'm pretty sure I never said this.
My GSR, perfectly legally, does not have a sunroof.

The 3rd gen RS, with 140 horses and slightly heavier than the 2nd gen car, is certainly NOT an ITS car. Neither are the SOHC vtec Civics (like Lyonels). The power to weight ratio of Lyonels car (WITH a brand new OPM built motor) is almost identical to a well built ITA CRX Si.

I can write rules with the luxury of not being afraid of Honda dominance. Unlike another organization, who's name I won't say, but their initials are SCCA.

Scott, who weighs 225 pounds, but would still have to add 70 lbs of lead to make his car legal in ITS. .