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Old Mar 25, 2013 | 03:11 PM
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Default question about reverse staggered.

If I have wheels that are 15x8 all around and wrapped in 225/45/15 all around, and slap a 10mm spacer in the front. does that help with understeer and considered reverse staggered?
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Old Mar 25, 2013 | 04:15 PM
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Default Re: question about reverse staggered.

stagger isn't fore or aft specific.
yes, it will help with understeer.
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Old Mar 25, 2013 | 05:14 PM
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How about a larger rear swaybar to help the car rotate or stiffer rear springs? What vehicle are you driving?




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Old Mar 25, 2013 | 05:30 PM
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the car is an EJ1, with buddy club N+, and ST front and rear sways 1" front and 3/4" rear. I was really just curious to know if simply running a lower offset in the front with all other specs being the same is considered reverse stag, was discussing this with a friend earlier.
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Old Mar 25, 2013 | 06:19 PM
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Default Re: question about reverse staggered.

Stagger is stagger. There is no "reverse".

Considering that the front track is already wider than the rear track on most of our FWD Hondas, running a lower offset up front (what spacers do) isn't introducing a stagger.

It will increase front cornering traction though.
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Old Mar 25, 2013 | 06:54 PM
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Default Re: question about reverse staggered.

I was really just curious to know if simply running a lower offset in the front with all other specs being the same is considered reverse stag, was discussing this with a friend earlier.
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Old Mar 26, 2013 | 09:51 AM
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Default Re: question about reverse staggered.

Originally Posted by qtevafrb
I was really just curious to know if simply running a lower offset in the front with all other specs being the same is considered reverse stag, was discussing this with a friend earlier.
Then the answer is "no".

There is no such thing as "reverse stagger". It can't be something that doesn't exist.
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Old Mar 27, 2013 | 07:38 AM
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Default Re: question about reverse staggered.

I always considered "stagger" to be more of a tire size/wheel size thing and not particularly offset related.
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Old Mar 27, 2013 | 07:48 AM
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Default Re: question about reverse staggered.

staggered fitment is different wheel sizes, not offsets
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Old Mar 27, 2013 | 08:51 PM
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Default Re: question about reverse staggered.

Originally Posted by beastiebomb
staggered fitment is different wheel sizes, not offsets
^ This.

If you ran a 15x9 up front and a 15x7 in the rear, I'd call that staggered.

People do this in autocross a lot in FWD classes.
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Old Mar 28, 2013 | 07:51 AM
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Default Re: question about reverse staggered.

Originally Posted by Xian
I always considered "stagger" to be more of a tire size/wheel size thing and not particularly offset related.
^exactamundo... though we do understand what OP was trying to say.

Air pressure also is a factor of stagger.
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Old Mar 28, 2013 | 07:56 AM
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Default Re: question about reverse staggered.

Originally Posted by MSchu
^exactamundo... though we do understand what OP was trying to say.

Air pressure also is a factor of stagger.
I've found the amount that I drink is a factor in my stagger too...
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Old Mar 28, 2013 | 11:47 AM
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Default Re: question about reverse staggered.

Will wider wheels in front increase my swagger?
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Old Mar 28, 2013 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by iwannarace
Will wider wheels in front increase my swagger?
I feel like I've got substantially more swagger now that I've got 15x8's up front.
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Old Jan 7, 2015 | 07:28 AM
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Sooo yeah, back from the dead?

Just curious, if you run wider wheels on the front, but space the rears so they appear to be flush/have the same offset to the casual observer, what effect does that have?

Does it cancel the effect brought about by the front biased stagger? (is that a better way of putting it than reversed?)

I cant seem to find out if it is the broader front track that reduces understeer, or the larger contact patch of a wider wheel/tyre up front, or both?
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Old Jan 7, 2015 | 09:02 AM
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Default Re: question about reverse staggered.

Both. A wider track reduces weight transfer and consequently increases grip. A wider contact patch increases grip directly.
Both are nice ways to reduce understeer because your are adding to the car's overall grip levels, instead of reducing them (e.g. with a stiffer rear sway bar).
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Old Jan 7, 2015 | 10:03 AM
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Default Re: question about reverse staggered.

A concise answer, helps to sum things up, thanks.

I suppose then that if you were to widen the rear track to balance things looks wise, it would at least partially counteract the advantage of running a wider wheel up front.

There is probably some crazy formula to get the balance just right, but too complex for me to figure out.
Not that it matters too much, driving a grandad car here, not a circuit racer! haha!
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