The Official Formula 1 2017 Season Thread
#1851
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2017 Season Thread
I understand the no-rule-zone. But I would think that whatever you put in there would have to be entirely contained in that lawless area.
Like if you take a part (rear wing, shark fin, whatever) that has an allowed region/size... how do you extend it out of that region and pretend that the part sticking out of the box is somehow a different part. It would be like if a team made a front wing 10 feet wide, and just said that any wing bits outside of the 1800mm is a different part that is an area that's not governed by any rules.
lol I don't know why I care. I clearly wrong, If they all have it, its obviously legal.
Just wanted to say it now, so when the ban hammer of rule interpretations is passed down in 2 races, I can be smug
#1852
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2017 Season Thread
I might be imaging it, but that heat haze of the top of the merc seems to be shot up pretty high
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2017 Season Thread
I see what looks to be some type of action camera/GoPro on the Mercedes. It probably is recording at a high frame rate to see what kind of flexing is going on.
#1854
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2017 Season Thread
1) Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 73 laps, soft tyres, 1:21.765;
2) Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari, 128 laps; medium tyres, 1:21.878;
3) Felipe Massa, Williams, 103 laps, soft tyres, 1:22.076;
4) Kevin Magnussen, Haas, 51 laps 1:22.894;
5) Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull, 50 laps, soft tyres, 1:22.926;
6) Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes, 79 laps, soft tyres, 1:23.169;
7) Sergio Perez, Force India, 39 laps, 1:23.709;
8) Carlos Sainz, Toro Rosso, 51 laps, 1:24.494;
9) Nico Hulkenberg, Renault, 57 laps, 1:24.784;
10) Fernando Alonso, McLaren, 29 laps, 1:24.852;
11) Marcus Ericsson, Sauber, 72 laps, 1:26.841
2) Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari, 128 laps; medium tyres, 1:21.878;
3) Felipe Massa, Williams, 103 laps, soft tyres, 1:22.076;
4) Kevin Magnussen, Haas, 51 laps 1:22.894;
5) Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull, 50 laps, soft tyres, 1:22.926;
6) Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes, 79 laps, soft tyres, 1:23.169;
7) Sergio Perez, Force India, 39 laps, 1:23.709;
8) Carlos Sainz, Toro Rosso, 51 laps, 1:24.494;
9) Nico Hulkenberg, Renault, 57 laps, 1:24.784;
10) Fernando Alonso, McLaren, 29 laps, 1:24.852;
11) Marcus Ericsson, Sauber, 72 laps, 1:26.841
#1855
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2017 Season Thread
I mean obviously I am wrong because the teams are doing it... but it doesn't make any sense.
I understand the no-rule-zone. But I would think that whatever you put in there would have to be entirely contained in that lawless area.
Like if you take a part (rear wing, shark fin, whatever) that has an allowed region/size... how do you extend it out of that region and pretend that the part sticking out of the box is somehow a different part. It would be like if a team made a front wing 10 feet wide, and just said that any wing bits outside of the 1800mm is a different part that is an area that's not governed by any rules.
lol I don't know why I care. I clearly wrong, If they all have it, its obviously legal.
Just wanted to say it now, so when the ban hammer of rule interpretations is passed down in 2 races, I can be smug
I understand the no-rule-zone. But I would think that whatever you put in there would have to be entirely contained in that lawless area.
Like if you take a part (rear wing, shark fin, whatever) that has an allowed region/size... how do you extend it out of that region and pretend that the part sticking out of the box is somehow a different part. It would be like if a team made a front wing 10 feet wide, and just said that any wing bits outside of the 1800mm is a different part that is an area that's not governed by any rules.
lol I don't know why I care. I clearly wrong, If they all have it, its obviously legal.
Just wanted to say it now, so when the ban hammer of rule interpretations is passed down in 2 races, I can be smug
Back the to issue. I understand what you are saying but I think it's down to semantics and how the regs are written. It does make me wonder if teams that don't have the t wing or don't have them mounted to the fin will try a protest after AUS using your argument.
#1856
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2017 Season Thread
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/d...-fears-877924/
Help me Ross Brawn, you're our only hope...
Well not quite. They did ask Hamilton and Massa about it. Hamilton hasn't had trouble passing anyone in the Merc and Massa's waiting to hear "Stroll is faster than you" Plus with tyres that don't degrade when you push them (if that is what we get) a trailing drive can force the drive in front to make a mistake.
Help me Ross Brawn, you're our only hope...
Well not quite. They did ask Hamilton and Massa about it. Hamilton hasn't had trouble passing anyone in the Merc and Massa's waiting to hear "Stroll is faster than you" Plus with tyres that don't degrade when you push them (if that is what we get) a trailing drive can force the drive in front to make a mistake.
#1857
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2017 Season Thread
Ted talkin' about RB nose
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/124...rb13-explained
"But the first thing to stress is that this is not likely to be a game changer for Red Bull. That's certainly the way all the other teams are treating it.
"The second thing to say is that it's legal. I can't find engineers from any other team in the pitlane who would say that Red Bull's interpretation of the rules on openings in the nosecone is invalid.
"The intention is to disrupt what's called the boundary layer, which is when air starts to get disrupted over a surface. While it might not cause too much disruption at the point it's hitting the nose, the disrupted air only gets worse and worse the further downstream of the car it goes.
"So by tidying it up early on, you make sure the turbulent air doesn't cause any damage to the bargeboards or the really sensitive areas where you are generating a lot of downforce."If you look closely behind the front-wing pillars, there are also a couple of pencil-shaped ducts on either side. They essentially perform the same function, taking a little bit of the boundary layer and venting it to the top of the chassis or getting rid of it into a safe area before it can do any damage downstream."
"The second thing to say is that it's legal. I can't find engineers from any other team in the pitlane who would say that Red Bull's interpretation of the rules on openings in the nosecone is invalid.
"The intention is to disrupt what's called the boundary layer, which is when air starts to get disrupted over a surface. While it might not cause too much disruption at the point it's hitting the nose, the disrupted air only gets worse and worse the further downstream of the car it goes.
"So by tidying it up early on, you make sure the turbulent air doesn't cause any damage to the bargeboards or the really sensitive areas where you are generating a lot of downforce."If you look closely behind the front-wing pillars, there are also a couple of pencil-shaped ducts on either side. They essentially perform the same function, taking a little bit of the boundary layer and venting it to the top of the chassis or getting rid of it into a safe area before it can do any damage downstream."
#1859
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2017 Season Thread
Britain 2001 just wrapped up. They interviewed Ron after Mika's win and I must say I forgot what a dick he is. Been a long time since there was a reason to interview him, guess that's why I forgot.
#1860
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2017 Season Thread
Sauber signs Calderon as development driver
I hope she's fast. I want to hear Brundle say she smashed the pole
I hope she's fast. I want to hear Brundle say she smashed the pole
#1861
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2017 Season Thread
Look at those trick suspensions working...
Merc not quite as low (use floor vs rear wheel rim to tell) but still impressive. I think RB runs more rake than the Merc too
Merc not quite as low (use floor vs rear wheel rim to tell) but still impressive. I think RB runs more rake than the Merc too
#1862
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2017 Season Thread
LOL
Side note:
If the FIA doesn't stop this nonsense Monaco is gonna be like
Scarbs on the fin chimney: https://drivetribe.com/p/auhcUQVOTwe...RwmFhnFWwGvQdg
Scarbs on the T wings (which he doesn't think will be banned): https://drivetribe.com/p/Mlk-lF8qS5m...TfydVskh0yK6AA
09:02 And now Stoffel Vandoorne heads out of the pits in the McLaren.
09:07 The McLaren has stopped at the pit entry - mechanics rush to retrieve the MCL32 with Vandoorne at the wheel.
09:07 The McLaren has stopped at the pit entry - mechanics rush to retrieve the MCL32 with Vandoorne at the wheel.
09:06 Hamilton not sporting the shark fin at the moment, but he appears to have a double-decker T-wing on his W08.
If the FIA doesn't stop this nonsense Monaco is gonna be like
Scarbs on the fin chimney: https://drivetribe.com/p/auhcUQVOTwe...RwmFhnFWwGvQdg
Scarbs on the T wings (which he doesn't think will be banned): https://drivetribe.com/p/Mlk-lF8qS5m...TfydVskh0yK6AA
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#1864
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2017 Season Thread
Honda suspects oil tank in F1 engine caused testing problems - F1 - Autosport
GA flogging Honda again.
"Based on initial investigations, we think the issue is related to the shape of the 2017 oil tank, but it requires further investigation before we can confirm this," said Hasegawa. Should the issue with the tank be confirmed, a redesign could cause some headaches.
Any design changes could have implications to the packaging of the rest of the power unit and chassis installation, with space likely to be at a premium in this area of the MCL32.
Any design changes could have implications to the packaging of the rest of the power unit and chassis installation, with space likely to be at a premium in this area of the MCL32.
It’s worrying to see Honda say that there are concerns about its oil tank based on what happened yesterday. To discover an oil tank shape is potentially incorrect suggests something is seriously wrong as normally it only shows up as a pickup problem in fast corners. To discover it on an installation lap at lower speeds suggests it’s a fundamental problem. The oil tank is vital to the engine and something most teams have a very good understanding of and very good test rigs to simulate all the forces and flows. So for McLaren and Honda to come to the first test session with a potential problem is a concern. It seems they are still missing out on the basics.
#1866
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2017 Season Thread
28 laps yday, 29 today... Maybe by the end of the testing weeks they can reach a full race distance, if they turn down the power of course.
If I were Mr. Brown I would be on the phone to VAG or BMW trying to lure 1 of them into the ring. This is almost as bad as 2015 and worse than 2016.
More problems at McLaren, here's the latest from Honda: "We lost power to the power unit. At the moment we don't know what has caused the issue. We are currently changing the power unit in order to investigate fully and identify the cause. We will update you when we have further information."
#1867
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2017 Season Thread
28 laps yday, 29 today... Maybe by the end of the testing weeks they can reach a full race distance, if they turn down the power of course.
If I were Mr. Brown I would be on the phone to VAG or BMW trying to lure 1 of them into the ring. This is almost as bad as 2015 and worse than 2016.
If I were Mr. Brown I would be on the phone to VAG or BMW trying to lure 1 of them into the ring. This is almost as bad as 2015 and worse than 2016.
#1869
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2017 Season Thread
Article is missing the preface:
in a desperate attempt to lure sponsors...Sauber signs Calderon as development driver
in a desperate attempt to lure sponsors...Sauber signs Calderon as development driver
#1870
Re: The Official Formula 1 2017 Season Thread
Ze Germans reporting that the Honda PU lacks reliability AND power. 3rd year running me thinks. Also they need to redesign the oil tank.
Honda-Motorschäden: Alarmstufe rot bei McLaren-Honda - AUTO MOTOR UND SPORT
Alonso to retire in 2017 confirmed.
Honda-Motorschäden: Alarmstufe rot bei McLaren-Honda - AUTO MOTOR UND SPORT
Alonso to retire in 2017 confirmed.
#1873
What is this crap?
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2017 Season Thread
Originally Posted by Gary Anderson
I spent a lot of Bottas's race run watching from trackside, and it looked...messy. He had quite a bit of understeer early on when the car was heavy, and it was moving around on him in the corners. The contrast with watching Raikkonen in the Ferrari was huge, although of course Ferrari has been working on a different programme this afternoon. But the car was doing everything Raikkonen would want, and he can attack the apex really well.