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My helmet was totally squashed. Then I see the doctor. Usual procedure - they try to see my dick first, touching my *****.”

A long swig of beer.

“It’s true! I learn that in UK. When ***** move, brain is fine. When big crash, scissors, take off the overalls, see the *****, hit the *****, then when ***** move, this guy’s fine. If ***** don’t move, then there’s a problem with brain damage, I think.”

Meet Taki Inoue, Japanese former F1 pilot and the man widely regarded - not least by himself - as the worst driver in Grand Prix history. Over several pints on the Monaco waterfront, Taki is relating to TopGear, in his inimitable style, exactly what he remembers of one of his most bizarre F1 moments, at this very city’s Grand Prix in 1995.

As Inoue was sat in his car, being towed to the pits on the back of a truck at the end of first practice, the safety car came charging round the corner. It smashed broadside into the towed racer, flipping the car and crushing Inoue’s helmet. Had Taki not put his lid back on a few minutes before, he’d have become a trifle dead. As it was, he just got his ***** fondled by a doctor.

It was an incident more memorable than anything Taki achieved on track. In 1994 and 1995, Inoue competed in 18 races for back-of-the-grid trundlers Simtek and Footwork Arrows, scoring zero points. During his F1 career, Taki’s name became a byword for ineptitude: Johnny Herbert, testing the 1995 Benetton for the first time and clocking a lap time over two seconds slower than teammate Michael Schumacher, said he “felt like Taki Inoue or someone”. Even the mobile chicane that was Ukyo Katayama described Inoue as “rubbish”.

I was not good enough to drive in F1…

But TopGear hearts Taki Inoue. Not only for his heroically disastrous career, but also for his raucous, occasionally X-rated Twitter account, which proves that if you’re going to be the butt of a thousand F1 jokes, you might as well make most of them yourself. @takiinoue mixes weapons-grade self-deprecation with deliciously mangled English and a tendency to let rip on anything F1-related. In a world of drivers and commentators who won’t tweet anything more controversial than their favourite ice-cream flavour for fear of upsetting sponsors or Bernie, Taki is a breath of fresh air. Slightly boozy fresh air, admittedly.

Nowadays Taki lives in Monaco (“not the rich bit”), dividing his time between managing young Japanese F1 drivers (“I am sort of a family babysitter”), running a race outfit in Italy and drinking a lot of alcohol. In person, Taki is as magnificently scatty as his Twitter persona, with a healthy appetite for cold beer and cigars. He’s also delighted to dispense scurrilous tales of F1’s finances. “When Pastor Maldonado brings 35 million [dollars] in sponsors every year, it ****s everything up. 35 million!”

Taki should know. Though inept behind the wheel of a race car, he was mighty adept at convincing minted Japanese sponsors to hand over their cash. Many regard Inoue as the first of F1’s pay drivers - those who obtain a race seat through chequebook rather than pace - but it’s a title he denies. “No! Every single driver is a sort of pay driver. Schumacher, Alonso. Yes, Alonso gets a driving fee, but how much does [Spanish sponsor] Santander pay to Ferrari? What I did was the same. The only difference is that I was not good enough to drive in F1…”I landed on my feet, perfect landing. Nine-point-nine-nine
But in the YouTube bloopers stakes, Inoue’s F1 highlights reel is unsurpassed. At the Hungarian GP a couple of months after the Monaco debacle, Taki’s engine caught fire midway through the race. He stopped at the side of the track, gesturing at the fire marshalls to dash over and extinguish his car. But the dawdling marshalls struggled to grasp the urgency of the situation, so Inoue jumped from his car and legged it to the barriers, seizing an extinguisher.

As he turned back to his Footwork, Taki failed to spot the safety car careering over the grass at him. It clattered into the back of his legs. Taki was thrown over the bonnet before tottering back to his feet, still gamely clinging to the extinguisher. “Bang! Someone hits me very hard,” Inoue remembers. “But I landed on my feet, very good, perfect landing, I think nine-point-nine-nine.”

A few seconds later, Taki collapsed on the deck. It remains one of the most wincingly hilarious F1 moments ever captured on camera, but the slapstick didn’t end there. “I expect the helicopter to take me to hospital, but Charlie [Whiting, F1’s race director] comes in and says, ‘Sorry, Taki, we can’t use the helicopter, otherwise we stop the GP. You wait until the finish, another hour.”

So Taki lies writhing in agony for an hour, before eventually being choppered to the local hospital. “I expect immediately they are checking out my bone, that everything is OK,” remembers Taki ruefully. “But they say, ‘Taki, we want your credit card.’ I say, ‘What? Credit card? I don’t have it!’ I am still in my race suit! But they want pay first, otherwise they won’t help me. I say, ‘Come on, I’m very painful.’ Another half an hour, big negotiation. I didn’t pay. For two years, they keep sending invoice to me in Monaco.”I say, ‘Is any F1 driver Japanese?’ And they say, ‘Impossible for Japanese’
Faced with luck as limited as his talent, maybe it’s odd Taki didn’t call it a day in F1 then. But, he says, F1 was a teenage obsession that bit hard and refused to let go. “When I was 15, I never seen an F1 car. But when I buy the sweets, there is a trading card, 1978, James Hunt. I say, ‘What is this?’ They say, ‘Taki, this is Formula One.’ I say, ‘Very nice, is any Formula One driver Japanese?’ And they say, ‘Impossible for Japanese.’”

Taki, never one to heed words like ‘impossible’ (nor ‘braking zone’ nor ‘watch out!’, for that matter) took this as a challenge. Even after a few unsuccessful years in Japanese touring cars, Inoue’s F1 dreams were undiminished. “I ask my friend, ‘How do I race in Formula One?’ He says, ‘Taki, you should go to the UK, Formula Ford, 1600, this is the entrance to Formula One.’ So I decide, ‘OK,’ and I go to the UK.”

Another drag of the cigarette, another sip of beer. “This is my first airplane, my first trip outside Japan. I don’t even know how to get into the plane. When they are serving the food, I ask them how much is it; they say, ‘No, you don’t have to pay.’”

When he reached London, his lack of preparation became apparent. “When I arrived at Heathrow, I ask at the information desk, ‘I want to be racing driver, where can I go?’ It’s true. They say, ‘You should go Newmarket - race course there.’ I got a ticket, took the national coach.”

So on a dark and miserable October evening, Inoue rattles out of London and into deepest Norfolk. “The driver says, ‘Newmarket,’ so I get off. Then I ask a man, ‘Is this race course?’ He says, ‘Yes, this is horse-racing course.’ Horse racing! Not car. Very disaster.”I was very scared. The car is very fast!
Inoue stuck around in East Anglia, enrolling at Snetterton’s race school, then graduating to Formula Ford before returning to Japan to race in F3. Despite a notable absence of podiums, Inoue managed to find sufficient sponsorship - a reported £2 million - to elbow his way into the lower echelons of F1, where, though never quite emulating his idol James Hunt’s notorious booze-and-girls heroics, he at least enjoyed the sport’s lighter side.

“In that time, I’m always drinking, drinking a lot, the following day a massive headache,” Taki smiles, holding cigarette aloft. “No problem! The drivers are boring now, like Olympic games. Zero personality. Drivers today, they must pretend to be professional. But I was very scared. The car is very fast! Very scary, too fast.”

It probably didn’t help that Taki’s race team failed to provide him any real practice time or training before he rocked up on the F1 grid. “In my first Formula One race in São Paulo, Brazilian GP, I didn’t know what a pit stop is. No one told me,” he admits cheerily. “But at least the car was not difficult. No paddleshift, once you get used to the carbon brakes, it’s very easy to use.”

Easy? With 900bhp, no driver aids of any sort and a notorious shortage in the talent department? Taki shrugs and drains his lager. Then that broad grin. “This is because I drove very slow…”
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JV > JB > ROS

Y'all letting his recent (decade+) of annoyance and recent feels (JB/ROS) cloud your opines.

JV won CART Championship (when it was still something) and the 500. Beat a better Schumacher while sure, driving a better Williams car.

JB was out on his *** in 2009, got saved (luckily) by Brawn who gave him a world beater for the first part of the championship. Held on to win lone WDC because the gap he had early on to the field was amazeballs. His teammate won 2x over the latter part of the year while he got into fisticuffs with Kamuisan. Had some great drives in the McLaren's, but then again stuck around passed the expiration in 2015 and 2016 driving **** boxes. Nice career move.

ROS was good not great. Gifted the car(s) of a lifetime but had #blessed44 as a teammate. One juan which I value greatly, but still had such a gap to the field he only had to beat juan car for the title, and knew everything about that car and driver cause teammates =

JB > ROS due to his 2010-2012 McLaren drives.

JV > JB/ROS coz CART/500/MS victories.
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And JV drove 505 miles (two lap penalty) when he won the 500.

JV did clash with Patrick Head over car setup but I believe he was the first to try independent spring rates at all four corners when setting up his car as that was how his speedway setups were in CART.

Barcelona 1996 with a wet/dry setup instead of full wet setup he hung on to finish third, while doing beautiful four wheel drifts lap after lap according to Frank Williams.
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how many caution periods did he need to get those laps back doe?
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how many caution periods did he need to get those laps back doe?
Random Fact - Bill Elliot came back from 2 laps down at Talladega, 5.332 miles to be exact, with 0 cautions in 1985 to win the race.

I've watched all three in F1 and I just don't rate JV that high. He had some great, almost mythical, cars when he had his best results. The fact that Hill out qualified him 13-3 in '96 and 8-4 for victories is what seals it for me. Hill was a good driver but he isn't one of the greats and 13-3 is just ****.

The only direct comparison between JV and BUT is '03 where BUT beat JV 8-7 in qualifying (JV left BAR after race 15). BUT beat JV on points 13-6 (did not count BUT 4 points at last race that JV missed)

At the very least BUT > JV in same machinery, not a lot better, but better
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JV hated those skinny lizzies (1998+ grand prix cars). So yes, BUT is better in that era. JV was already on his way to being a has been. As Taki said, "Very disaster".
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Maybe we should ask Taki to rate JV, BUT, ROS
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A good idea is a good idea.
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A good idea is a good idea.
If any one gets him to respond I will accept his word as final answer. No matter what he says. Bonus points if he responds ITT. I was just looking at his twitter. He is now 1 of my fav former F1 drivers. Dude is hilarious
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I heard he's getting a ball and chain pretty soon, unless it already happened.
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MERC IS PULLING OUT!

of DTM

Mercedes, the reigning F1 champion, has shocked the racing world by announcing it is pulling out of DTM in order to debut in the electric Formula E series from 2019.

“The news hit me like a club,” former Ferrari and McLaren driver Berger, the new DTM series boss, told Auto Bild.

It is indeed a big shock for DTM, as the only other manufacturers in the series are Audi and BMW.

“The consequences for the racing series and Audi cannot be predicted now,” Audi chief Dieter Gass said.

A DTM spokesman said: “We need to respect Mercedes’ decision in a sporting and fair way.”

But Mercedes boss Toto Wolff said pulling out of DTM is because “the Zeitgeist is moving in a different direction”.

Berger responded: “Mercedes has made its announcement with a long lead time until the end of 2018. This leaves the (governing body) ITR with time to analyse the situation and put forward a viable concept for the future.

“DTM is one of the most important touring car series in the world,” he told DPA news agency.
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Britain will ban the sale of new petrol and diesel cars from 2040 in an attempt to reduce air pollution that could herald the end of over a century of reliance on the internal combustion engine.

Britain's step, which follows France, amounts to a victory for electric cars that if copied globally could hit the wealth of oil producers, as well as transform car industry jobs and one of the icons of 20th Century capitalism: the automobile itself.
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ugh. It's rather depressing.


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RIP Hammond when he tries to drive more fast electric cars.
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it's better to invade a country that happens to have the raw materials in the ground to make the batteries. (Afghanistan)
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This seems pretty short sighted. It's like the Europeans are trying to outdo each other without thinking of the repercussions. Plus what happens about all the pollution from mining and refining the materials to make batteries? When electric cars are a better option society will naturally move toward them. The solution is to encourage manufactures to make e cars better, not force people to drive a g-wiz.

Guess that means any teams in Britain that produce/use F1 PUs are gonna be in trouble! Wonder if that includes the British Armed Forces.
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I vote well ride around on Vespas.

I found mine

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It's like the Europeans are trying to outdo each other without thinking of the repercussions.
i think this has been the case since homo sapiens showed up

The solution is to encourage manufactures to make e cars better, not force people to drive a g-wiz.
are you saying 2017 spec e-cars don't float your boat so we should let the market dictate when to switch over? instead of mandating(EU)/incentivizing(US)?

Guess that means any teams in Britain that produce/use F1 PUs are gonna be in trouble! Wonder if that includes the British Armed Forces.
objection your honor: hyperbole
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