Hey all - I'm new to the Honda world. I spent last season autocrossing my 20th AE VW GTI. I did well, placing in the novice class every time that I ran on stock tires. Recently I sold the GTI to my sister and am purchasing a 2000 Integra GS-R. With most VW stuff, it's pretty cut and dry as to what the best setup is for daily driving and the occasional autocross. With Honda's there are so many options! I'm confused as to what exactly I should be looking at getting. So far I've pretty much got the following setup picked out.

15x6.5 Rota Circuit 8's wrapped in 205/50 Falken Azenis.
Omni Power race coilovers.
Omni Power camber kit.
Ebay strut/tie bars.
ITR rear-sway bar.
JDM ITR LSD.

My other misc. mods will be as following:
Hasport motor mounts.
JDM 4-1 header.
J's Racing intake.
Apexi WS exhaust.
Skunk2 intake manifold.

Any other suggestions? I'd like to hear from others that have expierance with a proven setup. Oh, and I did search, and did read a lot of posts, so please don't flame.


Modified by jar at 11:44 AM 10/2/2004

 

U need a hatch. LIKE ME.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LSturboEH2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">U need a hatch. LIKE ME. </TD></TR></TABLE>eg's suck, my EK is better, hope someone helps you w/ this jar, id like to know what i should run on my EK for the autocross, drag race, w/ a b16b CTR swap. anyone post on this and help us all out

 

You should autox it stock for 1 season before you do anything.

What class are you planning on competing in? That should dictate what you put on the car if you insist on it. I believe the intake manifold might bump you into Dmod, and there is no difference between the USDM LSD and the JDM one.

 

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EH not EG. U FOOL. o and Jar since i already basically told u everything u have listed. i guess u dont need any more help from me. so ill stop whoring your thread.

 

What the **** is going on here?

If you guys arent going to be constructive, dont post.

Anyways.....

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Sounds like you're looking to run in STS, which is a good choice for the car. Check the rulebook, the intake manifold, motor mounts (nothing wrong with stock mounts anyways, anything stiffere will just rattle your teeth), and LSD arent legal for the class.

For the mods, sounds like a good start for local competition. I'd recommend taking a 2-day (phase I and II) evolution autocross school which will help you develop your skills.

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He already said he's had a year of experience.

 

What class? For a daily driver, on street tires, you'd be best running is STS (street touring). But the LSD would be illegal.

I'd don'tg know anything about OmniPower. I'd stick with off-the-shelf konis and some GC or other coilovers. ITR rear sway works well. Spring rates - depends how stiff you want for a daily ride.

Wheel and tire selection looks ok to me.

 

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For the mods, sounds like a good start for local competition. I'd recommend taking a 2-day (phase I and II) evolution autocross school which will help you develop your skills.</TD></TR></TABLE>

He's already taken a class like that. ill give it to him, he can dodge cones. but in a straight line is where he needs help.

 

Acutually, I'm going to run SM. During race days I'll take my back seats out and what not to take full advantage of being in the class.

Any other opinions?

And yes I have taken a day long AutoX school that the local club offered. It was lots of fun! I learned a lot.

 

My only advice is to skip over the 6.5" wheels and go straight to 7" or wider. Trust me, if you're going to autocross alot, you're eventually going to want wider than 6.5". The 205 Azenis has been shown to have a better contact patch on a wider wheel...and the name of the game is GRIP. period.

Other than that, just have some fun and get seat time.

 

SM is a crazy class, you could end up racing up against some VERY fast cars.. using sticky tires. If you are planning on running in that class, I would say spend some money on race tires, this is where you will benefit the most.

in San Diego the SM features:
M3's
WRX's
Mustangs
NSX's
Miatas
Civics
Supras
Mini Coupes
SMC Cobra

where STS you may be better off where's its mostly civics, integras and similar cars

don't get me wrong no matter what class you run, you will have fun, it's just a matter of how competative you will be.

 

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I should have been more clear. I meant in that car. If I were to drive another car I would leave it stock for a season.

 

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Bad idea... STS is more better for that car

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Why? Maybe one or two events, but if you've already got some experience thats just a waste of time if you plan to run STS/SM/SP/etc with the car.

 

If you're going to keep it on the road, STS is a good place to be in that car. As the others have said, you'll need to ditch the intake manifold and the LSD.

The guys at Red Shift Motorsports have put together a cookbook of sorts to help you build a championship winning EF hatch. Most of the same information can be applied to the DC2.

http://www.redshiftmotorsports.com/ChrisTech.htm

Nice of Chris and the gang to share their secrets with the world. Now just adjust it to fit your budget.

Can't afford SPSS-valved Konis? Get off the shelf units and don't go *** wild with the spring rates (shouldn't anyway IMO with an autocross car). And basically all the "nice to have" stuff like bushings, you can skip in a car as new as a 2000. Get a custom exhaust done up for half what you'd pay for a stainless fart can. You get the idea...do stuff as you can afford it and drive the car.

I'll be doing the same, more than likely, with the CRX I just bought. Good luck.

 

Could someone give me some recomendations on wheels that are 7" or wider. I'd like to stay with 15's. Cheaper the better

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jar &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Could someone give me some recomendations on wheels that are 7" or wider. I'd like to stay with 15's. Cheaper the better </TD></TR></TABLE>

http://www.machiii.net - rotas are cheap, a lot of H-T sponsors sell them as well.

Cant go any wider than 7" in STS anyways.

 

Thanks, I think that I'm going to go with Kosei K1's in 15x7 for a race setup. Then just roll around on the Rota's during the nicer months and throw on my steelies for winter time.

 

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Cant go any wider than 7" in STS anyways.</TD></TR></TABLE>

From Moutons ST rules:
14.4. WHEELS
1. Any wheels up to 7.5" in width that fit over stock brakes


Here's a short list of 15x7"er's to consider, all are about 13lbs, strong enough, and affordable:

A-tech Finalspeed
Rota Slipstream (order from one of the H-T vendors, and you can get them with hub-centric bore)
Kosei-K1 Racing (also available in 7.5 if you ask nicely at Tire-Rack)
Team Dynamics Pro-Race 1


These are some slightly more expensive, but lighter 15x7 wheels:

OZ Superleggera - (11lbs)
Enkei RPF-1 (10 lbs)
Kosei-K1 TS (11lbs - dual valve stems for nitrogen)

 

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Because I think it takes longer than a season to fully grasp how a car handles. With 1 season experience I don't see a driver being able to fully take advantage of a car equipped with coilovers/camber adjustments/sway bars and be able to set it all up correctly to the point where he would actually be faster.

That's not to say it's a huge mistake though, it's just how I would approach stepping into a new car. I would address the suspension setup one piece at a time to get the desired effect rather than putting a whole bunch of stuff on and then trying to figure it all out. 6 of one, half dozen of another I guess.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Crazydave &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">SM is a crazy class, you could end up racing up against some VERY fast cars.. using sticky tires. If you are planning on running in that class, I would say spend some money on race tires, this is where you will benefit the most.

in San Diego the SM features:
M3's
WRX's
Mustangs
NSX's
Miatas
Civics
Supras
Mini Coupes
SMC Cobra

where STS you may be better off where's its mostly civics, integras and similar cars

don't get me wrong no matter what class you run, you will have fun, it's just a matter of how competative you will be.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Uhh, at least 3 of those cars you listed are NOT SM legal. SM2 is an entirely different class and probably shouldn't be compared.

 

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You can get a damn good idea in one event. No use wasting the whole season thinking about it.

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I would not recommend dicking around with ride height/camber adjustments (a camber kit isnt even needed anyways, just adjust the toe)....

Even though he wont take "full advantage" of it, but he's got some seat time and I ****-u-me* that he's got a good idea of what's going on in the car, and might as well get used to the car in STS prep, even if things change in setup down the road.

 

You will definitely want some camber on the front wheels. I would say around 1.5-2.5 degrees, depending on how agressive you drive on the street.

I know my Prelude likes to chew up the outside of the tires, but I also have about 400 lbs on you as well.

I'm running my car in DSP, I like running on race tires...and I take my car open tracking as often as I AutoX it.

I'm not sure, but I think your car would be in either DS with the Prelude and ITR...I think the Si and the GSR are in DS as well. If not, you'll be in GS.

If you want to run on race tires, I would say DSP or SM. STS is a cool class, and the Civics and Integras seem to be the cars to have. You'll have a tire restriction of no wider than 7.5" and 225 series tires with a DOT tire at 140 treadwear or greater.

 

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Uhh, at least 3 of those cars you listed are NOT SM legal. SM2 is an entirely different class and probably shouldn't be compared.</TD></TR></TABLE>

STS is a better place for his car. That was my point

 

What are you talking about?

You said "in San Diego the SM features:"

And then proceeded to list 3 cars that are not SM legal.

 

Ok, you are correct,

the NSX, miata, and SMC cobra aren't in SM,

but still STS would be a more appropriate class, I think we can agree on that.