Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread
02-07-2005, 04:23 PM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (BauleyCivic)
W00h00!
I cannot wait to see the MP4-20 with Kimi and JPM get busy at the Australian GP in a little less than a month or so! These two can and will take the fight to Ferrari and Schumacher . IMO, this is undoubtebly the best team driver pairing in F1 for 2005 because of their experience!
I think it will be a very interesting battle between these two teams!
I cannot wait to see the MP4-20 with Kimi and JPM get busy at the Australian GP in a little less than a month or so! These two can and will take the fight to Ferrari and Schumacher . IMO, this is undoubtebly the best team driver pairing in F1 for 2005 because of their experience!
I think it will be a very interesting battle between these two teams!
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (speedracer33)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by speedracer33 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Renault looks good, but how much will losing Gasgoyne hurt them? Their downfall has been a lack of power, but at the same time, they also have the lightest engine, so it balances out a bit. If they found a formula to get more power without adding weight, look out. I don't think they have it all together yet, but I'm excited to see Fisi in a competitive car though. I'll say third here.
McLaren just looks scary fast, with talent behind the wheel that brings back memories of the Senna/Prost pairing of the early 90s. .</TD></TR></TABLE>
No possible combination out of the current field of drivers come remotly CLOSE to senna and prost in terms of pairings. But then again I'm slightly biased as I think Senna is the best driver in my eyes. (Too young to have witnessed Clark and Fangio perform their magic)
Schumacher might have more wins than both combined when he's done this season / early next. But when it comes to driver pairing that's on par or CLOSE to Senna and Prost, no one is gonna come close for a while certainly not Kimi and the Whinemeister at this stage.
Renault looks good, but how much will losing Gasgoyne hurt them? Their downfall has been a lack of power, but at the same time, they also have the lightest engine, so it balances out a bit. If they found a formula to get more power without adding weight, look out. I don't think they have it all together yet, but I'm excited to see Fisi in a competitive car though. I'll say third here.
McLaren just looks scary fast, with talent behind the wheel that brings back memories of the Senna/Prost pairing of the early 90s. .</TD></TR></TABLE>
No possible combination out of the current field of drivers come remotly CLOSE to senna and prost in terms of pairings. But then again I'm slightly biased as I think Senna is the best driver in my eyes. (Too young to have witnessed Clark and Fangio perform their magic)
Schumacher might have more wins than both combined when he's done this season / early next. But when it comes to driver pairing that's on par or CLOSE to Senna and Prost, no one is gonna come close for a while certainly not Kimi and the Whinemeister at this stage.
02-08-2005, 06:22 AM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (black3door)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by black3door »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
No possible combination out of the current field of drivers come remotly CLOSE to senna and prost in terms of pairings. But then again I'm slightly biased as I think Senna is the best driver in my eyes. (Too young to have witnessed Clark and Fangio perform their magic)
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I think that if Schumacher and Hakkinen were teammates back in the late 90's, that might have come close. But, being that there are only two world champions on the grid today, it's impossible to find a driver that could compete with schumacher both statistically and on the track.
No possible combination out of the current field of drivers come remotly CLOSE to senna and prost in terms of pairings. But then again I'm slightly biased as I think Senna is the best driver in my eyes. (Too young to have witnessed Clark and Fangio perform their magic)
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I think that if Schumacher and Hakkinen were teammates back in the late 90's, that might have come close. But, being that there are only two world champions on the grid today, it's impossible to find a driver that could compete with schumacher both statistically and on the track.
02-08-2005, 08:56 AM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (BauleyCivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BauleyCivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, too bad you didn't actually watch monaco. Michael hadn't pitted yet, when alonso crashed. Trulli and button dived into the pits, leaving schumacher in the lead, still having to pit. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I did watch it, actually. And not to rehash the dead horse, but if you think that M. Schumacher couldn't have made up a pitstop IN 35 LAPS, you're looney.
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I did watch it, actually. And not to rehash the dead horse, but if you think that M. Schumacher couldn't have made up a pitstop IN 35 LAPS, you're looney.
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02-08-2005, 09:16 AM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (maxQ)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by maxQ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I did watch it, actually. And not to rehash the dead horse, but if you think that M. Schumacher couldn't have made up a pitstop IN 35 LAPS, you're looney.
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Uh, look at his and Trulli's laptimes. There was no way he was going to pull out that much of a gap before he had to pit (i'm pretty sure he didn't have 35 laps till his next stop...maybe 10). Monaco was not a situation like in Hungary 1998.
I did watch it, actually. And not to rehash the dead horse, but if you think that M. Schumacher couldn't have made up a pitstop IN 35 LAPS, you're looney.
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Uh, look at his and Trulli's laptimes. There was no way he was going to pull out that much of a gap before he had to pit (i'm pretty sure he didn't have 35 laps till his next stop...maybe 10). Monaco was not a situation like in Hungary 1998.
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (BauleyCivic)
Go Minardi!!!
Reminds me of my own racing program - underfunded, outperformed. If they get a point this year I'll be happy.
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Reminds me of my own racing program - underfunded, outperformed. If they get a point this year I'll be happy.
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02-16-2005, 10:18 AM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (Markus)
Barcelona - 16/02/05
1. G. Fisichella - Renault R25 - 1'14"408 (+0"000) - 87 laps
2. R. Zonta - Toyota TF104B - 1'14"502 (+0"094) - 91 laps
3. F. Alonso - Renault R25 - 1'14"552 (+0"144) - 75 laps
4. J.P. Montoya - McLaren Mercedes MP4/20 - 1'15"199 (+0"791) - 119 laps
5. D. Coulthard - Red Bull Cosworth RB1 - 1'15"418 (+1"010) - 113 laps
6. C. Klien - Red Bull Cosworth RB1 - 1'15"673 (+1"265) - 79 laps
7. M. Webber - BMW Williams FW27 - 1'15"841 (+1"433) - 70 laps
8. R. Barrichello - Ferrari F2004M - 1'15"912 (+1"504) - 116 laps
9. J. Trulli - Toyota TF105 - 1'16"060 (+1"652) - 120 laps
10. N. Heidfeld - BMW Williams FW27 - 1'16"077 (+1"669) - 93 laps
11. P. de la Rosa - McLaren Mercedes MP4/20 - 1'16"133 (+1"725) - 63 laps
12. M. Schumacher - Ferrari F2004M - 1'16"188 (+1"780) - 76 laps
13. N. Karthikeyan - Jordan Toyota EJ15 - 1'19"179 (+4"771) - 76 laps
14. T. Monteiro - Jordan Toyota EJ14B - 1'19"718 (+5"310) - 32 laps
Suck it.
1. G. Fisichella - Renault R25 - 1'14"408 (+0"000) - 87 laps
2. R. Zonta - Toyota TF104B - 1'14"502 (+0"094) - 91 laps
3. F. Alonso - Renault R25 - 1'14"552 (+0"144) - 75 laps
4. J.P. Montoya - McLaren Mercedes MP4/20 - 1'15"199 (+0"791) - 119 laps
5. D. Coulthard - Red Bull Cosworth RB1 - 1'15"418 (+1"010) - 113 laps
6. C. Klien - Red Bull Cosworth RB1 - 1'15"673 (+1"265) - 79 laps
7. M. Webber - BMW Williams FW27 - 1'15"841 (+1"433) - 70 laps
8. R. Barrichello - Ferrari F2004M - 1'15"912 (+1"504) - 116 laps
9. J. Trulli - Toyota TF105 - 1'16"060 (+1"652) - 120 laps
10. N. Heidfeld - BMW Williams FW27 - 1'16"077 (+1"669) - 93 laps
11. P. de la Rosa - McLaren Mercedes MP4/20 - 1'16"133 (+1"725) - 63 laps
12. M. Schumacher - Ferrari F2004M - 1'16"188 (+1"780) - 76 laps
13. N. Karthikeyan - Jordan Toyota EJ15 - 1'19"179 (+4"771) - 76 laps
14. T. Monteiro - Jordan Toyota EJ14B - 1'19"718 (+5"310) - 32 laps
Suck it.
02-16-2005, 10:22 AM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (BauleyCivic)
Looks like Toyota is getting up to pace with their already revised 2005 car
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02-16-2005, 10:23 AM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (Brian*STi)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Brian*STi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks like Toyota is getting up to pace with their already revised 2005 car
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Yeah, and red bull has been a HUGE suprise. Look at the gap from Jordan to the rest of the teams...3+ sec
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Yeah, and red bull has been a HUGE suprise. Look at the gap from Jordan to the rest of the teams...3+ sec
02-16-2005, 10:36 AM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (BauleyCivic)
It's only their second day in the car ever though, Jordan drivers that is.
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (Brian*STi)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Brian*STi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks like Toyota is getting up to pace with their already revised 2005 car
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read again:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BauleyCivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Barcelona - 16/02/05
2. R. Zonta - Toyota TF104B - 1'14"502 (+0"094) - 91 laps
9. J. Trulli - Toyota TF105 - 1'16"060 (+1"652) - 120 laps
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read again:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BauleyCivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Barcelona - 16/02/05
2. R. Zonta - Toyota TF104B - 1'14"502 (+0"094) - 91 laps
9. J. Trulli - Toyota TF105 - 1'16"060 (+1"652) - 120 laps
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02-16-2005, 09:08 PM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (dohcbag)
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read again:
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It's on-pace with the Ferraris at least I'm getting really excited...the last time a team were as dominant in testing as renault have been was McLaren in 1998...and we remember what happened then
read again:
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It's on-pace with the Ferraris at least
I'm getting really excited...the last time a team were as dominant in testing as renault have been was McLaren in 1998...and we remember what happened then
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (BauleyCivic)
it is so tough to gauge from testing... cannot wait for the season to start! go williams!
02-24-2005, 09:46 AM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (speedracer33)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by speedracer33 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The new BAR has been really disappointing so far, and the Honda engine has been less than reliable. I don't have faith in it lasting one race right now, let alone two. </TD></TR></TABLE>
From my experience working for Honda on Champ Car engines, the Japanese engineers always push the limits of the motor more in off season and break more engines then and then work on reliability in the race season. They are good at refining the motor over time. They will have the engine to beat, eventually!
From my experience working for Honda on Champ Car engines, the Japanese engineers always push the limits of the motor more in off season and break more engines then and then work on reliability in the race season. They are good at refining the motor over time. They will have the engine to beat, eventually!
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (NegativeLift)
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You forget 1998...McLaren dominant in testing...look what happened in Albert Park
You forget 1998...McLaren dominant in testing...look what happened in Albert Park
03-05-2005, 12:00 PM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (BauleyCivic)
Uh oh, it looks like Fisichella is probably gonna be on pole
03-05-2005, 03:42 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BauleyCivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Uh oh, it looks like Fisichella is probably gonna be on pole </TD></TR></TABLE>
You, I, and about every other F1 fan knows Fisichella is basically the benefactor of the rain in qualifying.
</TD></TR></TABLE>You, I, and about every other F1 fan knows Fisichella is basically the benefactor of the rain in qualifying.
03-05-2005, 04:26 PM
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (ITRbroham)
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You, I, and about every other F1 fan knows Fisichella is basically the benefactor of the rain in qualifying.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah...hopefully he wont have a shitty race like Austria '98...another time he benefitted from rain in qualifying.
You, I, and about every other F1 fan knows Fisichella is basically the benefactor of the rain in qualifying.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah...hopefully he wont have a shitty race like Austria '98...another time he benefitted from rain in qualifying.
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (rochesterricer)
I enjoyed it. Lots of passing in the middle of the pack(at least compared to last year).
Very surprised that the tires seemed to hold up as well as they did and the speed didn't seem to be dropping off towards the end of the race. Too bad Toyota didn't do better. I was pretty surprised that Trulli started on the front row, and was expecting to see some good driving from him. Unfortunately, I think he dropped out of points range by the end of the race.
Overall - good race.
Very surprised that the tires seemed to hold up as well as they did and the speed didn't seem to be dropping off towards the end of the race. Too bad Toyota didn't do better. I was pretty surprised that Trulli started on the front row, and was expecting to see some good driving from him. Unfortunately, I think he dropped out of points range by the end of the race.
Overall - good race.
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Re: Formula One 2005 Preseason Predictions/Discussion Thread (BauleyCivic)
Highlights of the race - in upgrade/downgrade sequence a la VH1's Best Week Ever.
Villeneuve's start
Red Bull team
Renault R25 going 1st and 3rd
Schuie closing the door on Heidfeld
McLaren vs. Expectations
Barrichello's run to 2nd
Sauber vs. BAR for new "best of the rest" challenge
Trulli's driving
DC's return
Webber vs. Expectations
Sato vs. Expectations
- At least he didn't blow up!
Just my observations... and opinions
Good showings by Renault and Red Bull.
Jordan really stunk it up, and the Sauber's look to still be "the best of the rest" and I think BAR isn't going to be very good this year, maybe 5th or 6th.
Season predictions:
Teams
1. Renault
2. Scuderia Ferrari
3. McLaren-Mercedes
4. Red Bull Cosworth
5. Williams-BMW
6. Sauber-Petronas
7. BAR Honda
8. Toyota
9. Jordan-Toyota
10. Minardi
Drivers (Only top 5, all 20+ would take too long.):
1. Alonso
2. Schuie
3. DC
4. Fisi
5. JPM/Kimi
Yes, Alonso is wishful thinking, but with the performance of the Renault, I think that in the coming years he will be the one to beat. Sad to say it, but Schuie will continue to yeild big results for Ferrari.
Villeneuve's start
Red Bull team
Renault R25 going 1st and 3rd
Schuie closing the door on Heidfeld
McLaren vs. Expectations
Barrichello's run to 2nd
Sauber vs. BAR for new "best of the rest" challenge
Trulli's driving
DC's return
Webber vs. Expectations
Sato vs. Expectations
- At least he didn't blow up!
Just my observations... and opinions
Good showings by Renault and Red Bull.
Jordan really stunk it up, and the Sauber's look to still be "the best of the rest" and I think BAR isn't going to be very good this year, maybe 5th or 6th.
Season predictions:
Teams
1. Renault
2. Scuderia Ferrari
3. McLaren-Mercedes
4. Red Bull Cosworth
5. Williams-BMW
6. Sauber-Petronas
7. BAR Honda
8. Toyota
9. Jordan-Toyota
10. Minardi
Drivers (Only top 5, all 20+ would take too long.):
1. Alonso
2. Schuie
3. DC
4. Fisi
5. JPM/Kimi
Yes, Alonso is wishful thinking, but with the performance of the Renault, I think that in the coming years he will be the one to beat. Sad to say it, but Schuie will continue to yeild big results for Ferrari.