rick_rabies

hey..

i have a 4dr eg. for the next season i will start auto xng.

question. for this car above or realy any other. has any1 modded jack points to make it quicker and easeir to change out wheels?
i.e. traction bar for the front.
to hook for the back. etc.

i have a traction bar and tight suspension. jak one side and the whole side comes up. etc.



has anyone modified a jack point at all for conveince?

for the spring ima buy a snapon scissor jak lift for $1k, but that will stay home

Lo-Buck EF

What's so hard about jacking one side to change 2 wheels, then the other side to change the other 2? Anything more would require air jacks.

rick_rabies

thread is about creative ideas.
trying to make things quicker.

has anyone tried dif things?

Egezzy

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whats the need? unless you are running r comps then i see it pointless. change the wheels/tires the night before.

i dont see lifting more than two at a time safe for one unless you utilize airjacks.

dirty19

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There are people who have made portable fittings I.E. a centered two piece jack plate that was was welded to the center point of the car.
If memory serves me it was two pieces of steel bar one smaller than the other, and basically slid in and out, with a circular plate on the piece that was removable..
Come to think of it ..It was the Great Kiwi who had this on the 25 hour car that I helped out with last year.

He would be the one to contact, and ask about it. maybe he would be willing to start up some fabrication of some and sell them?

But seriously, Spence is correct, and I jack up my car from one side too, and change two tires out at the same time.
Nothing wrong with that.

Yes, what egezzy said airjacks...

Stinkycheezmonky

The rear "towhook" thing present on Integras and Civics takes care of a great place for the rear jacking point. I've seen things done with cage-integrated tubes on caged cars, but that won't help for your autox car.

I could understand this if you had sideskirts or something that made jacking from the side more difficult, or a splitter/big lip on the front. Brad, don't you have to pull the skirts before jacking from the side?

Egezzy

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i lift from rear hook and rad support as of now. if i did sides at a time i would have to take off the skirts which i have done. i know ideas are just to be tossed around but i still dont understand the reasoning. as dirty stated before..if pit stops were involved then yes but driving an autox no. if you dont have the extra 20 minutes to change wheels/tires then maybe you should turn back on call of duty.

solo-x

I couldn't decipher the original post, sorry. Say that again? What are you trying to accomplish, lift all 4 off the ground simultaneously? Anything portable enough to bring to an autox will cost more in setup time than just jacking up one side of the car at a time.

rick_rabies

for the sides to jack up. its jus a thin peice of metal. it suffices. yes..not a problem.
but sumthing i guess that would work if you in a hurry.
not jus for autox. but for convience. i was thinking of have 1 spot right in the middle of the car joing the 2 on the side. but that would be adding more weight.
sumthing i can throw a large jak under and not have to line it up and look under the car and what not.
sounds lazy. but i prefer to simplify things. i.e. modification the car to assist the jack.

you have opinions...cool. but leave them else where.

dirty19 has the idea. jus cant find this kiwi dude.

Bertamus

My rear sway is stiff enough to just jack the left or right side up and swap tires. I have a hell of a time trying to get jacks under the front or rear due to it's height.

rick_rabies

^right now i use the traction bar/skid plate for the front.
and the tow hook for the rear.

i would put my on the subframe and that would make it easy but i have an asr brace it it hangs low. im sure it would snap if i used that

Lo-Buck EF

heres a tip. take ur jack and position it under the front jack point where it needs to be. then put a peice of tape on the jack arm thats flush with the side skirt. then all u have to do is line them up and jack away.

dirty19

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Kiwi can be located at
http://www.specialprojectsms.com/
the phone number is listed on the site, or you could just pm him.

Brad has the PCI side skirts right???
On Kiwi's DC they just made a square hole to slide the plate in and out of... very trick.

Shoot now you got me wanting to put those on my car again.

Lo-Buck EF

i want them. mainly cause my rad support aint supporting' ****.

dirty19

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After reviewing the pictures i have of the 25 hour.. the part where the jack points were on kiwi's dc. The point was on the front near the oem jack point.
But there should be no reason you cant place it in the middle of the car??

civichb20

pics please

Stinkycheezmonky

Sorry, when you made this public you open the topic to ALL opinions, not just the ones you want. Take the good with the bad. FWIW, I think its a complete waste of your time. You're going to spend money and time on something so you can be lazy in the future? At an autox or in your garage? It makes no sense to me. I also don't see how this is simplifying an already-incredibly-simple design. If you want something guiding you to the existing jacking points, just put stickers on the rockers, like you see with "TOW" stickers. It doesn't get more simple than that.

Whatever though, you seem pretty set on doing it regardless, so good luck with it.

The only other suggestion I have is to make sure you're doing this safely. It would really not be good if you had one central jacking point to lift the car off all four wheels, and then it teetered off and crushed you and/or your buddies.

rick_rabies

not all 4wheels at once. just the side. and if you put it in the middle it bends the unibody in.
also ive tried markers and stickers they all come off or wear off

but thanx, il figure sumthing out

dirty19

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Good Point Adam, you dont want the car teetering with a jacking point centered.
It can buckle....its not designed to take the weight.
For those who want an idea of how Kiwi did it see the pic below.
Note on the front part of the side skirts you see the square hole.
This is where they put the (device) they made from square stock and a round plate to accomodate the jack head.
Using the oem point makes the best sense since it was designed to take the weight of the car.
If I do this, I'll follow the example of Kiwi since it has been tested and proven!
Also check out the HT article see link. There is a timeline of how the race went. I am in one of the pit road pics wearing the USC sweatshirt
There are three pages of pics and text.
http://www.hondatuningmagazine.com/e...ent/index.html

Egezzy

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well since you dont like my opinions..quick search gives this.

similar device most likely used on the 25hr car.


and since you are "lazy".

rick_rabies

^bingo. something along those lines for the sides.

dirty19

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Close on the first jack.. thats just like an old VW jack.

Aquafina

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All you need for what you're wanting, is to fab up a small box (if you will) and weld it where the stock jacking points are under the car at the a-pillars. Simple, cheap, and you can just slide the jack under without worrying about getting it right on the stock jack points.

rick_rabies

That exactly. I hav sum welding bein done friday. If i can figure sumthn that supports the weight of 1 side il post pics

spAdam

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Even better, weld the box on as a three sided trapezoid with the edge of the box closest to the edge of the car wider than the jack point and tapering down to the width of the jack point. You should be able to slide the jack under the car and the sides will guide it into place.

If you have any kind of stiffer than stock (or even any, really) sway bars on the car you really should be able to jack from the front point enough to pull both wheels off the ground, then toss a jackstand under the rear point and voila... you are safe to work w/o the car teetering.

Still seems like a lot of work when all you have to do is look under the car real quick for where the jack goes tho...