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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 06:51 AM
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Civic Si, SSC, SCCA, H4/H3 ECHC, Worldcars, NASA, Grand-Am or convert to Speed Touring. Info here:

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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 07:20 AM
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Is it street legal??
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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 07:23 AM
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Read the link. He can't post anymore so you'll need to e-mail him to obtain an answer.
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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 07:28 AM
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Is it street legal??

tell me jack would be caught in a *gasp* and quote "si buss"

*falls out of chair in awe*
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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 08:45 AM
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do you actually think i'd buy that "bus"??? ***** no.

doing some sniffing around for a fellow Honda buff so they can race.
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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 08:58 AM
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do you actually think i'd buy that "bus"??? ***** no.

doing some sniffing around for a fellow Honda buff so they can race.
*phewww*
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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 09:01 AM
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Hell, I'd have bought it if I wasn't already on a "path". Can't beat the price...
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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 09:03 AM
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an SI will never win H3. GSR is the car to have.
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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 09:06 AM
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Hell, I'd have bought it if I wasn't already on a "path". Can't beat the price...
sell that slow arrr.......besides some phycho will pay like 40,000 dollars for it. everybody knows civic coupes 0wn anyway.

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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 09:10 AM
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Who said anything about H3? I'd raise hell in H4 as is (SSC).

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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 09:30 AM
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Looking at the results to date, it appears that moving down from H3 to H4 will only net you one place. Would that be enough? ...not sure.

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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 10:08 AM
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Couple notes IMO:

I know there are a lot of guys here that are GSR guys, but an SI fully prepped to ECHC rules with driver can win in H3. Look at the HU World Challenge car Jack ran, with a couple minor changes that car is in H3 and wins easily (3 seconds a lap faster during your race at Summit). I don't know all the specifics of his car, but it was only had a few things that bump it out of H3. I just know that I could prepare my Civic to within WChallenge rules and it would be in H3 (without ECU or brake change). Take a look at some GA cup stats sometime on this front, they are on pretty equal ground and that is with pro-caliber drivers behind the wheel


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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 10:10 AM
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Is it street legal??
It is not, I never had a reason to make it street legal (advolorim) although it is inspectable and I could have it inspected and street legal for a buy if that was important enough for the purchase. All that has to be done is to put a set of airbags in it and the seatbelts and possibly the seat. Some areas are pretty lenient and will inspect with racing seat in the car but they always want to see the bags and seatbelts. A guy that works on my car has them inspected frequently.
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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 10:14 AM
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I don't know all the specifics of his car, but it was only had a few things that bump it out of H3. I just know that I could prepare my Civic to within WChallenge rules and it would be in H3

sorry dude, Tom's car is about 25-30 hp above yours and i won't even go into the suspension and weight differences.

The head,pistons, cams, ecu, etc.................. are way out of H3 rules.

"minor" changes...LOL.

edit--->actual it's about 45-50 hp difference


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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 10:24 AM
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Couple notes IMO:

I know there are a lot of guys here that are GSR guys, but an SI fully prepped to ECHC rules with driver can win in H3. Look at the HU World Challenge car Jack ran, with a couple minor changes that car is in H3 and wins easily (3 seconds a lap faster during your race at Summit). I don't know all the specifics of his car, but it was only had a few things that bump it out of H3. I just know that I could prepare my Civic to within WChallenge rules and it would be in H3 (without ECU or brake change). Take a look at some GA cup stats sometime on this front, they are on pretty equal ground and that is with pro-caliber drivers behind the wheel


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COUPLE things NO , did you even see that car in the paddock

off the top of my head , lets see
1-no glass in it
2-brake swap
3-mugen ecu
4-built motor
5-cage

it goes on and on


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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 10:27 AM
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jason need to take the arRrrrrRRRR to h6.....where he'll be competitive!!!
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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 10:29 AM
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Scott and Karl agreed to give me my own class...Hsl0w
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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 10:42 AM
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COUPLE things NO , did you even see that car in the paddock

off the top of my head , lets see
1-no glass in it
2-brake swap
3-mugen ecu
4-built motor
5-cage

it goes on and on

Add to that Moton Suspension with remote reservoirs, slicks (arent World Challenge Cars susposed to run treaded tires), SERIOUS weight reduction, 55 pt cage...LOL.
Full Blown Race car.
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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 10:47 AM
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but dave.......that car has "no headwork and a stock block".....quote to me from Tom........LMFAO!

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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 10:49 AM
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slicks (arent World Challenge Cars susposed to run treaded tires)
He didn't want to run on the WC tires at CMP. He thought that he should be allowed to run slicks in H1 since he didn't really have enough of an advantage already.


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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 10:54 AM
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Ok guys.. We all know the level of prep Tom's car was, which is pretty nutty.. Abviously, he would be about 2 seconds slower if he was on Toyo T1-S streets...

Needless to say, I think this civic would be a competitve car in H3, after weight reduction and suspension...

Honestly, who thought a prelude would be competitive against ITR's in H2? No ONE!
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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 11:06 AM
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two seconds slower


!!!!!
he,he if he was 2 tenths slower @ CMP or Summit he'd see a phucking NC license plate in his front windshield

Yack -who will roll a SVWC in a street kar before the year's up.
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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 11:38 AM
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I don't know all the specifics of his car, but it was only had a few things that bump it out of H3. I just know that I could prepare my Civic to within WChallenge rules and it would be in H3

sorry dude, Tom's car is about 25-30 hp above yours and i won't even go into the suspension and weight differences.

The head,pistons, cams, ecu, etc.................. are way out of H3 rules.

"minor" changes...LOL.

edit--->actual it's about 45-50 hp difference

[Modified by B18CXr, 2:17 PM 7/10/2002]
I just did some more reading at HC.com a bit more closely. That car is still (if prepared to WCTouring specs has a 1.6L motor. The 1 inch to the head has not been exceeded, doubt it could be. You are correct on the glass. I just checked and you are correct on the internals not being ok for H3, although I am familiar with some of the builds running in HC and find that information (cams, cam gears, overboring etc.) not allowed very interesting

Lastly you are wrong about one thing.. I am familiar with some other WCT builds and if his is near the same that car has more than 25- ahh nevermind you said it yourself on the edit

The point that I was really trying to make is that a Si stripped down and prepared to the letter of the HC rules can compete against the GSR just fine.
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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 11:56 AM
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Ok guys.. We all know the level of prep Tom's car was, which is pretty nutty.. Abviously, he would be about 2 seconds slower if he was on Toyo T1-S streets...

Needless to say, I think this civic would be a competitve car in H3, after weight reduction and suspension...

Honestly, who thought a prelude would be competitive against ITR's in H2? No ONE!
Agreed. If you read the WCT VTSS here it isn't as out of whack as some probably think it is This also makes the assumption that he has done everything there is to be done, which if that was the case he would be running at the front with Taz Harvey I would think. I don't even remember seeing him entered in WCT race (hadn't checked but just hadn't seen his name before).

http://www.speedvisionwc.com/competi...a-civic-si.pdf

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Old Jul 10, 2002 | 11:58 AM
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Hey BTW where are weight limits for Honda-Challenge in the rules? Am I missing something?

2150 with driver for SCTouring.
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