type r swap
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From: arcadia, ca, usa
Re: type r swap (crx-r1)
Personaly I would spend the money on building the gsr motor and then put a 4.7 final drive and and a LSD into the trany. But If u just want to rep the type R, bye one because the motor is not the only thing that makes a type R.
On the other hand, if you got the money and the ambition to do this swap i would use the GSR harness and ECU (chiped of course). The problem with obd2 is that the programable chip is soddered to the ecu which makes it difficult to remove and program.
Good luck
On the other hand, if you got the money and the ambition to do this swap i would use the GSR harness and ECU (chiped of course). The problem with obd2 is that the programable chip is soddered to the ecu which makes it difficult to remove and program.
Good luck
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Re: type r swap (0-60pdog)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 0-60pdog »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Personaly I would spend the money on building the gsr motor and then put a 4.7 final drive and and a LSD into the trany. But If u just want to rep the type R, bye one because the motor is not the only thing that makes a type R.
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I don't mean to burst your bubble, but its actually more cost effective to buy a ITR engine vs. building a GSR engine up. An ITR engine already has better camshafts, an excellent geared tranny over the GSR tranny w/LSD (and even better if the guy buys a 98+ JDM ITR tranny which is 4.7fd equipped -- no need to spend $$ on buying an LSD, 4.7FD, and the labor to have it installed), has a nice lightly ported head, great valve train, higher compression w/moly coated pistons, a crank designed to handle high revs, high flow intake manifold and 62mm TB.....the list goes on....you see my point?
crx-r1,
The engine wire harness you wanna use with your ITR engine is any 96-01 OBD2 US integra engine harness. Its fully reverse compatible & will plug n' play with your OBD1/94 Integra. There will be a couple of plugs that will not be used and just left dangling.
As far as the ecu goes, you have a couple options, depending on what you want to do...
1) You can reuse your existing GSR/P72 ecu if you'd like, but reprogramming it is HIGHLY suggested, or at least run a VTEC controller and raise the VTEC point to 5500-5700rpm. The stock GSR VTEC point kicks on too early for an ITR engine.
2) If you want to use the 01 ITR ecu, you'll need to purchase an ecu jumper harness, which will allow you to PnP the OBD2b ITR ecu into your OBD1 GSR vehicle. It sounds like yer putting in a US ITR engine, so, if you wanna use the ITR ecu, you'll have to do some additional work: wire in the 2nd 02 sensor, the CKP sensor, and have the immobilizer removed.
3) You can use a JDM ITR ecu instead of a US ITR ecu and you won't have to worry about wiring in those additional sensors mentioned in #2 nor have any immobilizer removed, because JDM ITR programming doesn't look for or have those sensors or an immobilizer. But you will still have to get a jumper harness in order to adapt the JDM ITR ecu.
..if it was my choice, I'd stick with the OBD1 P72 ecu and have it reprogrammed. But i'm not sure if you're caring to be smog legal or not.
(shameless plug time!) btw, i sell ecu jumpers for either of those setups listed above and I reprogram ecu's as well....see the JHP link in my sig if you're interested.
i
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I don't mean to burst your bubble, but its actually more cost effective to buy a ITR engine vs. building a GSR engine up. An ITR engine already has better camshafts, an excellent geared tranny over the GSR tranny w/LSD (and even better if the guy buys a 98+ JDM ITR tranny which is 4.7fd equipped -- no need to spend $$ on buying an LSD, 4.7FD, and the labor to have it installed), has a nice lightly ported head, great valve train, higher compression w/moly coated pistons, a crank designed to handle high revs, high flow intake manifold and 62mm TB.....the list goes on....you see my point?
crx-r1,
The engine wire harness you wanna use with your ITR engine is any 96-01 OBD2 US integra engine harness. Its fully reverse compatible & will plug n' play with your OBD1/94 Integra. There will be a couple of plugs that will not be used and just left dangling.
As far as the ecu goes, you have a couple options, depending on what you want to do...
1) You can reuse your existing GSR/P72 ecu if you'd like, but reprogramming it is HIGHLY suggested, or at least run a VTEC controller and raise the VTEC point to 5500-5700rpm. The stock GSR VTEC point kicks on too early for an ITR engine.
2) If you want to use the 01 ITR ecu, you'll need to purchase an ecu jumper harness, which will allow you to PnP the OBD2b ITR ecu into your OBD1 GSR vehicle. It sounds like yer putting in a US ITR engine, so, if you wanna use the ITR ecu, you'll have to do some additional work: wire in the 2nd 02 sensor, the CKP sensor, and have the immobilizer removed.
3) You can use a JDM ITR ecu instead of a US ITR ecu and you won't have to worry about wiring in those additional sensors mentioned in #2 nor have any immobilizer removed, because JDM ITR programming doesn't look for or have those sensors or an immobilizer. But you will still have to get a jumper harness in order to adapt the JDM ITR ecu.
..if it was my choice, I'd stick with the OBD1 P72 ecu and have it reprogrammed. But i'm not sure if you're caring to be smog legal or not.
(shameless plug time!) btw, i sell ecu jumpers for either of those setups listed above and I reprogram ecu's as well....see the JHP link in my sig if you're interested.
i
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From: arcadia, ca, usa
Re: type r swap (Katman)
Katman does have a valid point on the ITR motor! But that does not change my opinion on the GSR motor. like I said "Personaly" i would build the GSR and get about 210 WHP All Motor for around the same price. Of course this depends greatly on the machine shop, tuner and parts you use to build it!!!
Although, I agree completely with programming the p72 ecu.
BTW Im not saying the ITR motor is not a worthy swap, but a built GSR is a great alternative without changing the harness or ecu. I am building a CTR powered CRX that is going to be realy fun and reliable but if they made a crx Type R i would have bought that.
Although, I agree completely with programming the p72 ecu.
BTW Im not saying the ITR motor is not a worthy swap, but a built GSR is a great alternative without changing the harness or ecu. I am building a CTR powered CRX that is going to be realy fun and reliable but if they made a crx Type R i would have bought that.
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From: allison park, pa, united states
Re: type r swap (0-60pdog)
you do have a good point about the gsr motor but i already have the motor from my friends itr that he wrecked. its just sitting in my garage. so im going to put it in while im building the gsr motor. thanks for your help 
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Re: type r swap (Katman)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Katman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I don't mean to burst your bubble, but its actually more cost effective to buy a ITR engine vs. building a GSR engine up. An ITR engine already has better camshafts, an excellent geared tranny over the GSR tranny w/LSD (and even better if the guy buys a 98+ JDM ITR tranny which is 4.7fd equipped -- no need to spend $$ on buying an LSD, 4.7FD, and the labor to have it installed), has a nice lightly ported head, great valve train, higher compression w/moly coated pistons, a crank designed to handle high revs, high flow intake manifold and 62mm TB.....the list goes on....you see my point?
crx-r1,
The engine wire harness you wanna use with your ITR engine is any 96-01 OBD2 US integra engine harness. Its fully reverse compatible & will plug n' play with your OBD1/94 Integra. There will be a couple of plugs that will not be used and just left dangling.
As far as the ecu goes, you have a couple options, depending on what you want to do...
1) You can reuse your existing GSR/P72 ecu if you'd like, but reprogramming it is HIGHLY suggested, or at least run a VTEC controller and raise the VTEC point to 5500-5700rpm. The stock GSR VTEC point kicks on too early for an ITR engine.
2) If you want to use the 01 ITR ecu, you'll need to purchase an ecu jumper harness, which will allow you to PnP the OBD2b ITR ecu into your OBD1 GSR vehicle. It sounds like yer putting in a US ITR engine, so, if you wanna use the ITR ecu, you'll have to do some additional work: wire in the 2nd 02 sensor, the CKP sensor, and have the immobilizer removed.
3) You can use a JDM ITR ecu instead of a US ITR ecu and you won't have to worry about wiring in those additional sensors mentioned in #2 nor have any immobilizer removed, because JDM ITR programming doesn't look for or have those sensors or an immobilizer. But you will still have to get a jumper harness in order to adapt the JDM ITR ecu.
..if it was my choice, I'd stick with the OBD1 P72 ecu and have it reprogrammed. But i'm not sure if you're caring to be smog legal or not.
(shameless plug time!) btw, i sell ecu jumpers for either of those setups listed above and I reprogram ecu's as well....see the JHP link in my sig if you're interested.
i</TD></TR></TABLE>
LMAO uhhhh duuuu.. itr are the ****.. worth every penny.. there very HOT right now.. we been installing several type R's at MHR lately..
I don't mean to burst your bubble, but its actually more cost effective to buy a ITR engine vs. building a GSR engine up. An ITR engine already has better camshafts, an excellent geared tranny over the GSR tranny w/LSD (and even better if the guy buys a 98+ JDM ITR tranny which is 4.7fd equipped -- no need to spend $$ on buying an LSD, 4.7FD, and the labor to have it installed), has a nice lightly ported head, great valve train, higher compression w/moly coated pistons, a crank designed to handle high revs, high flow intake manifold and 62mm TB.....the list goes on....you see my point?
crx-r1,
The engine wire harness you wanna use with your ITR engine is any 96-01 OBD2 US integra engine harness. Its fully reverse compatible & will plug n' play with your OBD1/94 Integra. There will be a couple of plugs that will not be used and just left dangling.
As far as the ecu goes, you have a couple options, depending on what you want to do...
1) You can reuse your existing GSR/P72 ecu if you'd like, but reprogramming it is HIGHLY suggested, or at least run a VTEC controller and raise the VTEC point to 5500-5700rpm. The stock GSR VTEC point kicks on too early for an ITR engine.
2) If you want to use the 01 ITR ecu, you'll need to purchase an ecu jumper harness, which will allow you to PnP the OBD2b ITR ecu into your OBD1 GSR vehicle. It sounds like yer putting in a US ITR engine, so, if you wanna use the ITR ecu, you'll have to do some additional work: wire in the 2nd 02 sensor, the CKP sensor, and have the immobilizer removed.
3) You can use a JDM ITR ecu instead of a US ITR ecu and you won't have to worry about wiring in those additional sensors mentioned in #2 nor have any immobilizer removed, because JDM ITR programming doesn't look for or have those sensors or an immobilizer. But you will still have to get a jumper harness in order to adapt the JDM ITR ecu.
..if it was my choice, I'd stick with the OBD1 P72 ecu and have it reprogrammed. But i'm not sure if you're caring to be smog legal or not.
(shameless plug time!) btw, i sell ecu jumpers for either of those setups listed above and I reprogram ecu's as well....see the JHP link in my sig if you're interested.
i</TD></TR></TABLE>
LMAO uhhhh duuuu.. itr are the ****.. worth every penny.. there very HOT right now.. we been installing several type R's at MHR lately..
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Re: type r swap (MHRacing-310)
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lol...nice way of shamefully plugging yourself Max! LOL
MHR.......FORRRR MEE TO POOOP ON!!!!
LMAO uhhhh duuuu.. itr are the ****.. worth every penny.. there very HOT right now.. we been installing several type R's at MHR lately..
</TD></TR></TABLE>lol...nice way of shamefully plugging yourself Max! LOL
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Re: type r swap (MHRacing-310)
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