hYbRiD EeEkAy

ok im deciding on which motor to swap into my hatch right now. i personally would like to go with the Single cam JDM D15B (like to be the underdog) but alot of people tell me to go dual cam, either B16 or B18. with the money that i would spend on the Dual cam i can get I/H/E, cam, valve springs, retainers, and some other things. Now, would a single cam with these upgrades be respectable? would they keep up to a DOHC hatch?

poison

It mainly depends on the car, weight, driver, etc. But generally speaking, no it will not.

SOHC engines can be respecable, but you mainly have to get more out of 'em than a DOHC in order to produce as much power.

fastwanabe

SOHC+mods+mods+mods+mods+mods= power of a B16.

B16+mod+mods+mods+mods+mods= power of a GSR(maybe)

so do yourself a favor and start with a good platform.

of course it only my opinion.

mntuner2

I have an 88 civic dx hatch w/ a d16z6. It is a lot of fun for little cash (~$1000 total so far, including matienence and broken parts from the last year.) But I am constantly getting my *** handed to me by ugly camaros and audis and other fast from the factory cars (ok, maybe not camaros.) So get a b16 ~$700 for the motor and parts if you can find one or go b18 ~same price as b16. (B18's have more torque, great for daily driver! ) Just my 2 cents.

GokuSSJ4

theres no replacement for displacement , even if you manage (which lots of peeps have) to have the SOHC make the same hp as a b18c1 you will lack of TQ which can make a big difference . DOHC is worth it

Hybrid96EK

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kwikEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok im deciding on which motor to swap into my hatch right now. i personally would like to go with the Single cam JDM D15B (like to be the underdog) but alot of people tell me to go dual cam, either B16 or B18. with the money that i would spend on the Dual cam i can get I/H/E, cam, valve springs, retainers, and some other things. Now, would a single cam with these upgrades be respectable? would they keep up to a DOHC hatch? </TD></TR></TABLE>

If you want to have a little fun with a little amount of cash, then SOHC is the way to go. Parts are cheap as hell so you don't need to worry about tossing something. Get yourself a used greddy kit or JRSC and it should kick down as much power as a stock B16. If your main goal is to get into the 12/13 second range then I would say do yourself a favor and start with a DOHC. Its not THAT much more expensive over the SOHC and will give you some very nice results. I have raced two turbo SOHC rides with my all motor hatch and smoked them like they weren't even trying. The difference between the DOHC and the SOHC is pretty significant.

T4eg

I would go with the B18C. very good starting point

MEANB18

just buy a 1st gen B16A motor, fairly cheap swap and nets you good results. endless upgrades.... Or if you have the cash screw it and buy a B18C

Hybrid96EK

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MEANB18 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just buy a 1st gen B16A motor, fairly cheap swap and nets you good results. endless upgrades.... Or if you have the cash screw it and buy a B18C
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Why does everyone skip over the B17?

mntuner2

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlueHatch00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would go with the B18C. very good starting point</TD></TR></TABLE>

DITTO! A guy at my old work had one in a 93 civic vx, 1 i believe.

Kamin

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hybrid93Eg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Why does everyone skip over the B17? </TD></TR></TABLE>
cause it sucks

Hybrid96EK

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kamin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
cause it sucks </TD></TR></TABLE>

Oh reaaaalllly???

Kamin

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Oh reaaaalllly??? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes.
i would take a b16 any day over that.

Team 4

I have a fully built single cam turbo, and a GSR'd EG, and the turbo is way faster. My outlay on that has been 4X the price of the swap. It all depends what you do to it. My turbo car will smack my allmotor car anyday, all day, but I raced a turbo'd mini me swap in an EK and beat him by over .5 seconds. He was at 10 psi on a T25, and I thought it was strange that he lost. Oh well, bragging rights!


P.S. Get a GSR.

Hybrid96EK

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kamin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Yes.
i would take a b16 any day over that.</TD></TR></TABLE>

So I take you don't know much about the B17 or have any experience with them.

diearzte2

The best way to go about a motor swap is buy a GSR, roll that off an offramp, total the car out, buy it back from insurance, and boom, you have a $500 full B18C1 swap. On top of that, you have a dash to swap, and stuff to sell.

Hybrid96EK

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by diearzte2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The best way to go about a motor swap is buy a GSR, roll that off an offramp, total the car out, buy it back from insurance, and boom, you have a $500 full B18C1 swap. On top of that, you have a dash to swap, and stuff to sell.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Are there ANY honest people left in this hobby anymore? Maybe just one?

4crx4me

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kamin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Yes.
i would take a b16 any day over that.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Why?
They are EXACTLY the same as a B16.
And to the post above no-one mentions them or knows much about them because they are SO RARE.
Best guesstimate is around 3000-3500 made and they were only available in the US and Canadian 92-93 GS-R's.
AND they came with the BESTUSDM B Series cable trans. LOL

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybrid93EG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
So I take you don't know much about the B17 or have any experience with them</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hybrid96EK

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Why?
They are EXACTLY the same as a B16.
And to the post above no-one mentions them or knows much about them because they are SO RARE.
Best guesstimate is around 3000-3500 made and they were only available in the US and Canadian 92-93 GS-R's.
AND they came with the BESTUSDM B Series cable trans. LOL


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I believe it was 1,500 each year for two years. They aren't "exactly" the same... obviously the crank, pistons, and rods are different. Other then that, generally speaking, they are the same. There are small differences such as the intake manifold and other items that were revised over the years, but anyways. If you love the B16 then you should absolutely love the B17. Its the same **** with more torque. Bump the compression up to B16 levels and its a very strong engine.

hYbRiD EeEkAy

plans have changed and im getting the single cam. i was involved in an accident with a drunk driver. (he crashed into me whil i was driving my mothers SUV) if i had been driving my car i would be in some serious pain right now as he would have crushed my door and would have hit my window dead center. after an experience like that i dont feel to safe driving my hatch around. Im swapping in the single cam being that its the cheapest motor ($550 for motor and tranny) and then saving up money for a newer car, and then selling the hatch at the end for the rest of the $. Most likely getting a newer EX coupe or an accord, which were my first 2 choices for cars.

Thanks for all your help and advice

4crx4me

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hybrid93Eg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I believe it was 1,500 each year for two years. They aren't "exactly" the same... obviously the crank, pistons, and rods are different. Other then that, generally speaking, they are the same. There are small differences such as the intake manifold and other items that were revised over the years, but anyways. If you love the B16 then you should absolutely love the B17. Its the same **** with more torque. Bump the compression up to B16 levels and its a very strong engine.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I know they aren't exactly, I was being a smart ***, because he was.
You don't have to sell me brother, LOL see my sig.
ME + B17+YS1=
PS pistons might be different but the bore is the same as B16.

Hybrid96EK

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I know they aren't exactly, I was being a smart ***, because he was.
You don't have to sell me brother, LOL see my sig.
ME + B17+YS1=
PS pistons might be different but the bore is the same as B16. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yep. Sure it. I think most people like to rag on the B17 becuase it "only" makes as much hp as a B16. They don't seem to want to look at the rediculously low compression they have stock... Oh well. The less people know, they fewer B17's they buy. The fewer they buy, the more availble for me.

4crx4me

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hybrid93Eg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Yep. Sure it. I think most people like to rag on the B17 becuase it "only" makes as much hp as a B16. They don't seem to want to look at the rediculously low compression they have stock... Oh well. The less people know, they fewer B17's they buy. The fewer they buy, the more availble for me. </TD></TR></TABLE>
They only other point they have to rag about is that the B16 has the "perfect rod/stroke ratio". And the B17 doesnt........ blah, blah, blah.......
They're just jealous cause they don't have a blacksheep engine. LOL