pcguy760

Are H22 Trannys really that bad and is that why some guys are using the H2B setup?? I am asking cos I am busting my *** trying to get this H22 swap for my Civic and dont want the darn tranny to go bad on me in a few months or even a few years maybe damn...

pcguy760

Bump okay how many of you are using stock H22 Transmissions and never had to go thru them?

v4lu3s

i have an accord with an h22, a civic with an h22, and a prelude, i had one tranny fail on me due to a leaking case that i did not notice since i had jsut put it in, and then left on a 250 mile drive.
the one i have had the longest has gone 90k miles without an issue, and it had at least 75k miles on it when i put it in.
as far as track use, i had an h23 teanny that was a replacement for the broken one, and it had a 3rd gear scratch, i pulled off some 8.5 second 1/8 miles with it, whoch would put me at least at a 13 flat in the 1/4....so me personally i would nto say there is a damn thing wrong with them.
the only advantage i can see to the B tranny is that you can use a B series linkage and axles.

2fast4u831

This came from AllMotorRandy:
here's another bad story.... we broke about 5 h22 tranny's last race season.... and 2 of them were accord type r tranny's. for h22 tranny's

Adam.

No, they are not bad. They are geared longer and will thus make you slower.

skunked

1) Better grounds clearance (like a B series)
2) Stock axles and geometry
3) Solid shift linkage over the sloppy cables
4) Better OEM and Aftermarket transmission support

Adam.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by skunked &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1) Better grounds clearance (like a B series)
2) Stock axles and geometry
3) Solid shift linkage over the sloppy cables
4) Better OEM and Aftermarket transmission support

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Cons

1) Hood clearance
2) Must use d-series alternator
3) Must block one of the balance shaft belts
4) A slightly more complex install
5) Must shave crank pulley




Modified by DarkKnight1 at 1:06 PM 6/9/2006

skunked

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DarkKnight1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Cons

1) Hood clearance
2) Must use d-series alternator
3) Must block one of the balance shaft belts
4) Complex install
5) Must shave crank pulley

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For clarification:

1) Yes, additional hood clearance is needed......function over fashion
2) not necessarly.......just an easy option
3) you can run balance shafts and the belt if you choose to.
4) not anymore complex than a straight H22 install.
5) yes, a narrow crank pulley or notching of the frame rail is required.

v4lu3s

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DarkKnight1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No, they are not bad. They are geared longer and will thus make you slower.</TD></TR></TABLE>

GSR
1st 3.230 2nd 1.900 3rd 1.360 4th 1.034 5th 0.787 final 4.4

m2a4
1st 3.307 2nd 1.950 3rd 1.360 4th 1.071 5th 0.787 final 4.266


i only really see a diff in teh final drive....the rest are very close.

skunked

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by v4lu3s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

GSR
1st 3.230 2nd 1.900 3rd 1.360 4th 1.034 5th 0.787 final 4.4

m2a4
1st 3.307 2nd 1.950 3rd 1.360 4th 1.071 5th 0.787 final 4.266


i only really see a diff in teh final drive....the rest are very close.

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for performance reasons most of us don't use GSR gears.......

Adam.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by skunked &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

For clarification:

1) Yes, additional hood clearance is needed......function over fashion
2) not necessarly.......just an easy option
3) you can run balance shafts and the belt if you choose to.
4) not anymore complex than a straight H22 install.
5) yes, a narrow crank pulley or notching of the frame rail is required.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry, meant to say, slightly more complex. Not complex, will edit it.

So then why are people making block offs and what not for the balance shafts?

skunked

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DarkKnight1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
So then why are people making block offs and what not for the balance shafts?</TD></TR></TABLE>


it's just easier and less clearancing is required. Who runs the damn belt anyway.....I think most of us are past the comfort requirement.

pcguy760

Also doesn't it free up some Hp? Also about the H22 Tranny having longer gear ratios, isn't that good for a turbo setup?

skunked

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pcguy760 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also doesn't it free up some Hp?
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It doesn't free up any HP that I am aware....maybe through the better axle angles.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pcguy760 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also about the H22 Tranny having longer gear ratios, isn't that good for a turbo setup?

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The quickest T4/SFWD cars pushing 600+whp run short geared B16/ITR gear boxes.

Spin to win.

Adam.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pcguy760 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also about the H22 Tranny having longer gear ratios, isn't that good for a turbo setup?

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You want the shortest gears possible for the most speak as long as:

a. your time betweens shifts isn't greater than the time you gain from having lower gearing.
b. you don't top out before the end of the race.

Propulsion

[QUOTE=DarkKnight1]

Cons

1) Hood clearance
2) Must use d-series alternator
3) Must block one of the balance shaft belts
4) A slightly more complex install
5) Must shave crank pulley




You forgot:

6) Kit costs $1000
7) Motor leans 15 degrees so there may be oiling issues
8) Need custom header because of above

AllMotorRandy

It all depends on what you want to do with the car. For daily driving, I would definitely stick with the h22 transmission because its practical. For drag racing, I would never run the car with anything else but a b-series transmission because of its abundance of parts and aftermarket support. Not to mention that b transmissions are proven to handle big horsepower @ very high rpm's. IMO..... the weakest link in our race motor and transmission was the cable driven h22 tranny. I build h22 race motors that see well over 9000 rpm. When shifting at such high rpm's the cables tend to bind and lock you out of gears. When you get locked out of a gear, the motor does not like it too much. I guess what i'm trying to say is that h22 trannys are good enough for the average joe. But when it comes down to drag racing and the transmission comming between winning and losing, I would'nt even think twice about mating a b tranny to our race motor. just my 2 cents.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by v4lu3s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

GSR
1st 3.230 2nd 1.900 3rd 1.360 4th 1.034 5th 0.787 final 4.4

m2a4
1st 3.307 2nd 1.950 3rd 1.360 4th 1.071 5th 0.787 final 4.266


i only really see a diff in teh final drive....the rest are very close.

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lol....... the final drive is a VERY BIG difference. that 4.266 final drive makes that whole transmission feel like crap! its like using b16 gears with an ls final drive. b-series transmissions are way more versitile than the h. how many companies (besides going custom) do you know make final drives for h22's? I only know of one and that Circuit Worx/Pro Drive and they only make one final drive, a 4.75. imagine putting that in the above mentioned transmission? you're going to be in 5th gear through the traps!!!! now on the other hand..... how many companies do you know make final drives for b-series? and...... how many different options are there for it? the advantage of going with b-series trannys is that we get to play around with different gear ratios, final drives and slick sizes in order to be topped out in 4th gear at the end of the 1320. just my 2 cents again! peace!

AllMotorRandy

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Propulsion &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">[QUOTE=DarkKnight1]

Cons

1) Hood clearance
2) Must use d-series alternator
3) Must block one of the balance shaft belts
4) A slightly more complex install
5) Must shave crank pulley




You forgot:

6) Kit costs $1000
7) Motor leans 15 degrees so there may be oiling issues
8) Need custom header because of above

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that $1000 on this kit is the best money i've spent on this car yet!!! simple equation for you guys.......

h2b for $1000 + b16 tranny &gt; 3 m2b4's and 2 t2w4's for $$$$$$$$$$

after about 8 test and tune sessions and countless amounts of passes with a bigger motor than last year.... our bone stock b16 lsd tranny is still holding up. perfectly.

oh by the way......

1) im sure this is not a big deal to most racers out there. keep in mind, this kit was not made for daily driven vehicles.
2) we're using our h22 alternator just fine. but why would that be a con if d-series alternators are 1) easier to find and 2) way cheaper
3) who runs balancer shafts in a race motor anyway?
4) if thats what it takes to stop breaking tranny's.......
5) the turn out on the quarter mile isnt that bad but it sure gets hot @ some tracks. imagine running 11's N/A with the a/c blowing!!!!
6) read above statement
7) never had an oiling issue since we installed the kit. nothing dry sump cant fix!
8) gotta pay to play!!!

vtecspeed1320

im gonna have a daily driven h2b 500-600hp h22 build coming really soon i will start posts when i get a little close to august...and ive also heard that there is a 7% driveline loss when using an h series trans so if your pushing 200whp with an h22 and h series trans, if you put a b series trans to it...it is possible to put down 214whp....

sikciv666

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Propulsion &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You forgot:

6) Kit costs $1000
7) Motor leans 15 degrees so there may be oiling issues
8) Need custom header because of above

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1- my kit wasnt that much

2-boo

3-a good reason to put a good one on.

vtecspeed1320

b series motors lean 15 degrees then as well? no oiling issues.

Adam.

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i only really see a diff in teh final drive....the rest are very close.

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Final Drives for H22 trannies are very expensive and as far as I know, very hard to find and obtain.

skunked

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You forgot:

6) Kit costs $1000
7) Motor leans 15 degrees so there may be oiling issues
8) Need custom header because of above

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1) the kit does not cost that much.
2) show me somebody that has
3) a custom header is not necessarly needed

v4lu3s

full lis is 795 for a circuitworx, 890 for an ATS, not sure if there are others but those i can find in less than 30 seconds. not too bad if you ask me.

skunked

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by v4lu3s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">full lis is 795 for a circuitworx, 890 for an ATS, not sure if there are others but those i can find in less than 30 seconds. not too bad if you ask me.</TD></TR></TABLE>

so the H2B is priced the same.......

OEM 4.7 is what, $300?

and you have solid shift linkage and shelf axles.