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Old Nov 21, 2012 | 08:41 AM
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I purchased A 1990 CRX with the B20 Vtec swap. I drove the car for two days, then one day I decided to go for a little cruise. I hopped in the car and the car just continuously turns over with no spark throwing CEL 15 Ignition Output Signal. I tried a different distributer and still nothing, Im getting power to it though.
I also tried relays, Checked ecu, And checked all the grounds. The car is currently at another Honda Tech members garage being worked on. I figured I would make a post for further help.
I wanna also throw out there the the wiring throughout the car is a mess! Any suggestions? Would be highly appreciated! Thanks again guys!

I understand this could be in the wrong thread. But I wasnt getting any further information in Element/Crv. Even though it is a b20 engine. It is a 90 CRX.
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Old Nov 21, 2012 | 08:46 AM
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Thats odd...i got cel 15 not too long ago. The coil and ignitor were on their last leg. Swapped them with new, and cel went away and never returned.
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Old Nov 21, 2012 | 10:10 AM
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Yeah I tried a whole new distributer, and still nothing. I even took mine out and bolted it up to another civic and there car fired right up. Im so puzzled!
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Old Nov 22, 2012 | 08:15 AM
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bump!
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Old Nov 22, 2012 | 08:44 AM
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Ignition output signal..... Sounds like it could be your ignition switch. They aren't that hard to swap out if you have someone with a for sure working one.
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Old Nov 22, 2012 | 08:44 AM
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why not post this in the All Motor thread since this is a tech question about an All motor issue.
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Old Nov 22, 2012 | 11:30 AM
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I was just told that! Would my key easily pulling out of ignition on 2nd turn be a causing problem too?

And im sorry about the wrong thread again. I was getting any further information in any of the correct all motor/ Crv/ Element threads. Thanks though guys!
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Old Nov 22, 2012 | 11:35 AM
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I was just told that! Would my key easily pulling out of ignition on 2nd turn be a causing problem too?

And im sorry about the wrong thread again. I wasn't getting any further information in any of the correct all motor/ Crv/ Element threads. Thanks though guys!
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Old Nov 22, 2012 | 12:41 PM
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I just picked up a whole steering column set up a few mins ago. The key doesnt pull out of any turns like my other one did. Im hoping thats the problem!
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Old Nov 22, 2012 | 12:55 PM
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code 15 has nothing to do with the ignition switch. it indicates a problem between the ecu, ignitor and coil.

code 15 in my experience has been a bad coil or bad ignitor, or a bad wire.
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and a very minimal search yields this...
http://techauto.awardspace.com/ignition.html
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Old Nov 22, 2012 | 01:49 PM
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v4lu3s Just get off the thread please. I dont have time for the ''use the search BS' cause i did plenty of times. Also if you could use your eyes to read, I explained how I replaced the whole distributer and Internals of it. The wiring to the distibuter is fine. Its the other wiring that was messed up that was replaced. I guess this is what i get for buying Honda junk.

Anybody above this guy that has proceeded to help me, I thank you very much. Im not able to switch out igniton switches tonight but I will first thing tomorrow!
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Old Nov 22, 2012 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by v4lu3s
code 15 has nothing to do with the ignition switch. it indicates a problem between the ecu, ignitor and coil.

code 15 in my experience has been a bad coil or bad ignitor, or a bad wire.
CODE 15 ''Ignition Output Signal'' Now why wouldnt my ''Ignition switch'' also lead to a problem? Pretty sure it isnt a Shifter switch? lol

Also if you follow the steps on your chart it says to check Igniton Switch...

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Old Nov 22, 2012 | 03:05 PM
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Old Nov 22, 2012 | 03:52 PM
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CODE 15 ''Ignition Output Signal'' Now why wouldnt my ''Ignition switch'' also lead to a problem? Pretty sure it isnt a Shifter switch? lol

Also if you follow the steps on your chart it says to check Igniton Switch...
i linked that because it gives ALL the steps that cover the ignition.

as far as code 15 goes:

It is an indication of the ignition output signal from the ecu. Read a factory service manual it will tell you the same.
Testing for a code 15 involves first pulling the 2 wire plug off the distributor and checking for +12 between the black/yellow and body ground while ignition is on, if none then the black/yellow wire is bad.
then you test battery voltage between b15 and a18, then b17 and a18. you should have +12v on each of those. if there is not +12v your igniter is bad or you have a short on those wires.
if all those pass, then you replace the ecu.


and finally i will tell you to kiss my ***. you were being given wrong information about ignition switches, it is obvious you are in over your head and I gave you good information, and despite you being a douche bag i went ahead and gave you info direction from my service manual. if you cannot figure it out now then there is no hope for you.
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Old Nov 22, 2012 | 04:14 PM
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There's voltage at the ecu ignitor output and at the dizzy, yet get no spark. Even tried a different ecu. Im really thinking dizzy
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Old Nov 22, 2012 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by v4lu3s
i linked that because it gives ALL the steps that cover the ignition.

as far as code 15 goes:

It is an indication of the ignition output signal from the ecu. Read a factory service manual it will tell you the same.
Testing for a code 15 involves first pulling the 2 wire plug off the distributor and checking for +12 between the black/yellow and body ground while ignition is on, if none then the black/yellow wire is bad.
then you test battery voltage between b15 and a18, then b17 and a18. you should have +12v on each of those. if there is not +12v your igniter is bad or you have a short on those wires.
if all those pass, then you replace the ecu.


and finally i will tell you to kiss my ***. you were being given wrong information about ignition switches, it is obvious you are in over your head and I gave you good information, and despite you being a douche bag i went ahead and gave you info direction from my service manual. if you cannot figure it out now then there is no hope for you.
Then gtfo. Like I said I hate people who Bi**h about people not using search so please take your wanna be moderator *** else where. I wouldnt of had a problem if you wouldnt have gotten all smart *** on me. I wouldnt do it to you. I had no other choice but to create this thread.
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Old Nov 22, 2012 | 10:53 PM
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Old Nov 24, 2012 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by B20vCRX
Then gtfo. Like I said I hate people who Bi**h about people not using search so please take your wanna be moderator *** else where. I wouldnt of had a problem if you wouldnt have gotten all smart *** on me. I wouldnt do it to you. I had no other choice but to create this thread.
actually i just said i did a quick search, did not call you names or swear, made no wise comments, did not tell you that you are a moron because you did not find what i did, i offered. Never even complained you did not search. I offered a nice writeup that had a lot of steps to handle a does not start, going beyond a code 15.
You are the one that got butt hurt because you are a retard who is too stupid to know how to open a factory service manual, or download one, and go to emission trouble shooting code 15. I spoon fed you and you spit it back.
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Old Nov 25, 2012 | 09:55 AM
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Pretty sure we did everything including your device Manuals a while back and still nothing and no I'm not a retard.

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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 09:49 AM
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Bump.. Still no spark, car is sitting in my driveway still CEL 15..
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 12:04 PM
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Did you ever swap out and try that different ignition switch?
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 02:26 PM
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Yeah I did
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JuggerNaut-CTR
Did you ever swap out and try that different ignition switch?
Yeah I did. I'm getting 12v at the yellow wire from the dizzy too.
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Old Dec 15, 2012 | 04:46 PM
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bump..
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