hondachris1994

Will there b any power gains or losses with this setup,just curious cause I can get a gd deal on a GSR block

BlueIntegraBoy

iTrader: (5)

Doesn't the B16 head have better flow than the GSR head? However, the combustion chambers are smaller on the GSR head.

bsixteen

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlueIntegraBoy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Doesn't the B16 head have better flow than the GSR head? However, the combustion chambers are smaller on the GSR head.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i believe you are correct about the flow. the chambers i'm not sure of. shot in the dark..i'd say some gains. i don't know if they would be substantial enough to warrent a swap but the more displacement couldn't hurt! keep the b16 tranny!

hondachris1994

anyone else ever tried this setup?

salesmonkey

um ya.... i think a lot of people will by the b16 head over a gsr because of the better flow. if you search you will find what others have to say.

Jay_Sensing

B16 head on a GSR block and a B16 tranny is known as a poor man's Type R. It's a nice setup and ran by quite a few people.

lightcrx

gsr block/ctr pistions and a b16 head = poor man type-r

put a b16 head on a stock gsr and you'll loose comprestion

hondachris1994

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lightcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">gsr block/ctr pistions and a b16 head = poor man type-r

put a b16 head on a stock gsr and you'll loose comprestion</TD></TR></TABLE>I was goin to put JE pistons and eagle rods on the block and the head has stage 2 cams, upgraded valvetrain, and head has been shaved all the way....So will this setup give me gd power gains?

lightcrx

i think so ,but you'll also need ajustable camgears because of the shaved head

hondachris1994

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lightcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think so ,but you'll also need ajustable camgears because of the shaved head </TD></TR></TABLE>Gottem already buddyclub cam gears

vtecspeed1320

yeah that will be a good setup, good flow just increase c/r a little because with the b16 head you will lose compression, run some itr vavle train, with a good cam, unless you have already bought the stuff to upgrade the valvetrain to accept that stage 2 cam.

k0rean4life

Friends with a 00 si had a B18C1 block stock internals,thinner head gasket,B16A head with Dual b16a springs on the intake side with type R cams Has beaten buddy over and over again and he has a 99 Hatch with a 00 ITR changover. I think its a good setup, I have built them for friends and they all just change the gasket and the they are happy with them!

aeon

i'm putting mine together right now. gsr block with pr3 pistons and a stock b16 head.

RaceCarRyne

b16 head would not make power gains at all.. infact it will loose u power on the stock gsr due to less compression with it bigger combustion chambers

projectTeG

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jay_Sensing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">B16 head on a GSR block and a B16 tranny is known as a poor man's Type R. It's a nice setup and ran by quite a few people.</TD></TR></TABLE>
this is a poomans ITR..because its the base shell of a ITR engine...thats like saying a ls w/b16 pistons isnt a ls engine.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lightcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">gsr block/ctr pistons and a b16 head = poor man type-r

put a b16 head on a stock gsr and you'll loose compression</TD></TR></TABLE>

i run this set-up as of right now i never had this set-up without the b16 head, but i do acknowledge that the set-up would be a little stronger with the p72 head due to the lost compression associated with the larger combustion chambers the pr3 head has.

HatchEh2

back from the dEad!!!

quick question... when you say you will LOOSE power from a poormans ITR setup if its a stock b16 head and stock gsr block...what are you referring to as the base of camparison? you will have LESS power than a stock B16 or LESS power than a stock GSR?


i was gonna buy a full b16 swap with low miles (so i dont have to go fishing for a good condition b16 trans and head) and then swap in a Gsr block.. i plan to boost it, but for the time its all motor i wanted to know if i would see a difference in torque/power. (later i plan to use an LS crank in the Gsr block along with wiesco 9:1 and some eagle h beams and throw in CTR cams in the B16 head then boost the **** out of it..)

HatchEh2

bump cuz i would really like to know this..

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HatchEh2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">back from the dEad!!!

quick question... when you say you will LOOSE power from a poormans ITR setup if its a stock b16 head and stock gsr block...what are you referring to as the base of camparison? you will have LESS power than a stock B16 or LESS power than a stock GSR?</TD></TR></TABLE>

sauceja

Yes I am kinda curious as well.
I am planning a b18c1 block with B16A head. Stock bottom with ITR cams and valvetrain.

I will take the measly .2 compression drop as that is nothing 8 psi can't conquer.


Modified by sauceja at 8:08 AM 8/29/2006

the stock cx

are there any power gains or power loss? depends on where. if are any there wouldnt be much of a difference. using a stock b16 head on a stock gsr block you would loose low to mid range power and loose about .2 compression. its a slight noticable difference. you would get better mid to top end rpm range power. both b16 and gsr heads are good but make different power in different rpms the gsr head is very unique but limited. b16 has the same casing as the type r head theres a reason why honda didnt use the closed combustion chamber gsr head with there type r's. putting a stock b16 head really wouldnt make an extensive amount of difference unless you work on the head alil then you have yourself a poormans type r. also with the fully milled head you dont need cam gears unless you have cams but you want to watch out with what kind of pistons you get from JE because it s possible to have a piston to valve clearnce. hope this helps

allstarimports1

i dont believe that a head thats shaved all the way is the best one to use... provided youd have to resurface it...