B18C5-EH2

Hey, I'm posting this because I'm tired of seeing other people getting RIPPED by shady-*** importers and yards lying about the trannies they sell and package with swaps.

Let's post every possible B-Series tranny code and if possible the cars they come from, gears, and final drives too. I will as soon as I have more time, but I've got to go right now.

Thanks. I'd post links and ****, but I'm in a hurry to leave home now - I'll check back later and fill in any gaps that might be left over.

BTW: PLEASE if you don't know for sure, then PLEASE don't post guesses. This thread could be a great link for those with tranny questions, so let's try to keep it accurate!

Okay, here's probably the best gear chart I've seen yet. Thanks to Katman of course for the nice chart:

http://tiiite.b16a.com/Bgears.htm

Go there to see the various trannies and their gear ratios and final drives too.

Later!


[Modified by B18C5-EH2, 8:23 AM 3/15/2002]

l

no crap.... that is a good idea.....


i still dont know what tranny my friend has with his b16 that didnt let him hit decent mph on the top end

ttt

hybridkid

i've had two on my B18C1, S80 and a Y80 both non-lsd. i'm way too lazy to tear it apart to find out the gearing, but then again i've never read any debate about the gearing on these two.

rainforest

y1 b16a crx
s1 b16a integra
ys1 90-93 integra ls
ys1 92-93 b17a
j1 integra b16a in japan.

RyanR

Why don't you just go check out Katmans site or the dozens of other sites that ripped him off? It lists the tranny, car it came from and the gear ratios.

sleeper4dr

problem,....most cable B16 trannies arent even marked! some come with the sticker and some do not. the only way to find out which tranny you truly have is to rip it open and figure out the gearing for yourself.

Armed Ferret

so buy a tranny locally and if it doesn't have a VIN tag on it find another one.

granted, i understand it's hard for some people to do that. myself included. 'bout the only way to be sure you're getting a JDM VTEC tranny (if that's what you're after) is to get one that has "LSD" stamped on the casing and you can see through the diff (no "bar" in the axle hole thingamajig--and yes that's a technical term). If someone's gonna take the time to exchange internals, why leave the LSD inside?

B18C5-EH2

Okay, I will be able to post the trannies and their respective gears later while I'm at work - that's where the links are

I am not doing this so I can learn the trannies and the gears/final drives, but so others can see this info and not get ripped off.

There's too many people paying for "JDM B16A SiRII" trannies that are getting USDM Y80 LS trannies and they would never know it, and there's also too many people paying for 1st-gen "SiR" trannies that are getting shitbox LS trannies too.

I was just talking on AIM to a guy who got his swap from Nippon motors in Cali, and I just had the feeling they fucked him on his tranny. I asked him to go check the code on his "JDM SiRII" tranny and rather than it be a Y21 like it should have been, it was a Y80 tranny. This could either be an LS (probably) or GS-R tranny. Perhaps Type R but I have NEVER seen a Y80 Type R tranny.

So they lied to him and probably sold off the good Y21 and swapped it in favor of a cheap-*** LS tranny. This is a big deal because the Integra LS and GS-R trannies are no good for the B16A when stock or all-motor - the powerband is too narrow and peaky and the revs drop too much between shifts for the B16A with LS or GS-R tranny.

Combine the 4.26 final drive with lower gears on the LS tranny, and you will have a shitty-slow B16A unless pushing boost on it.

See the top for a good link


[Modified by B18C5-EH2, 8:24 AM 3/15/2002]

B18C5-EH2

So I suppose nobody gives a **** about which tranny is which?

B18C-EJ1

I think the main problem it that some Y80's are LS, and some are GSR.

It think the only true way to tell which is which is to crack it open, or go by the original VIN number.

Chris_

I have a question about cable b-series trannies...in particular the USDM 90-93 integra S1 and YS1.

Some sites give the final drive as 4.266 http://tiiite.b16a.com/Bgears.htm

But some sites say its 4.400 http://resource.crx.org/ubb/Forum3/HTML/003396.html http://tiiite.b16a.com/GearRatios.htm

So, which is it? Reason i'm wondering is because I want to take the FD (if its 4.400) and 5th gear from a US S1 and put them in my JDM LSD Y1 (better FD and lower revs on the freeway). Can someone help me out?

owen_the_soyboy

I DO I DO!!!!!
good thread, man.

sleeper4dr

my helms manual tells me that the 92-93 LS trannies have a 4.266 FD. 90-91 i am not sure about.

J

B18C5-EH2

crxconection:

USDM YS1 could be a GS-R with the 4.400, or an LS with the 4.26

Again tranny code doesn't really say what gears and FD are in it.

In terms of cable trannies the only one for SURE with the 4.400 is the J1 because it is a JDM only tranny. There was never a 4.26 offered on the J1, so you would have no doubts on it.

The S1 and YS1 could have either the 4.400 or the 4.26, but even worse is the HUGE difference in gearing from the good S1 and YS1 to the LS versions of them.

The Y1 is a unique tranny too - 4.26 FD and slightly taller gears than the JDM S1 and J1.

For all-motor or near-stock motors the 4.400 FD trannies are the best bet. The following are IMO the best trannies to get if you can find one:

Hydro:

JDM '98 Spec Integra Type R S80 - 4.78 FD and close gearing, and LSD
JDM '96-'97 ITR or CTR or USDM Integra Type R - 4.400, close gearing, again LSD
JDM second-gen SiR and SiRII EG Y21: 4.400, same gearing as U.S Type R opt. LSD
USDM Del Sol VTEC Y21: 4.400, same gearing as USDM Type R
USDM 99-00 Civic Si S4C: 4.400/4.26 (debatable) and same gearing as ITR pretty much

I purposely left off the GS-R Y80 and S80 because of their slightly taller gears. Also missing are the USDM Integra RS/LS/GS Y80 and S80 trannies because of their tall-*** gears and 4.26FD

I personally opted for a USDM 1998 ITR tranny and added an ATS 4.929 FD

Cable?

JDM J1/S1: 4.400 FD and same gearing as Type R
USDM 1992-1993 Integra GS-R YS1/S1: 4.400 and same as ITR gears

I again left off the JDM Y1 even though *some* had the opt. LSD. I'd rather have closer gears and add a better-than-stock LSD

Also missing are any cable LS trannies - these are the WORST for accleration on any NA B-series motor IMO

Just some opinions - not gosphel or anything



[Modified by B18C5-EH2, 5:02 AM 3/17/2002]

LoStreet94

^^

SECRET AP1

new JDM Integra Rs have double cone 1st, 3rd, and 4th synchros and triple cone 2nd synchros. The NSX & the S2000 have similar tranny setups. I'm wondering if the 2000 ITR (either USDM or JDM) had trannies that were designed to handle more abuse than say the JDM Civic SiR2 tranny. They are both almost identical except for age and the optional LSD in the SiR2 (Y21).

B18C5-EH2

Do you mean the DC5 (our version is the RS-X; Japan still calls it Integra) or the very last JDM DC2-bodied Type R (our 2000 Type R, but JDM) has the "different" tranny?

I've never seen nor heard of this - are you sure it is the DC2 body?

Chris_

Are there any cable B-series trannies with a 4.4 FD and a .742 5th gear?

SECRET AP1

The new Integra R is a DC5 chassis. My question is if the DC2 R had anything like this.

B18C5-EH2

.747 is the closest thing to .742 - the diference would be minimal to none really.

4.400 FD and .747 is the Y80/S80 GS-R and JDM SiR-G (GS-R) tranny.


[Modified by B18C5-EH2, 9:54 PM 3/17/2002]

Bnjmn

Not that I know of- I think you could make your own by getting the FD from a 92-93 GSR tranny. None of the other cable trannies parts swap into the YS-1.

red civic standard

can't take an LS 5th gear and put it into a YS1?

Bnjmn

You mean take the 5th from a YS1 LS tranny and put it into a YS1 GSR tranny?
I would think that would work, someone that has tried it should be the final authority.

Ben

AzN_Flava

umm what they are doing is selling you a ls tranny when they are saying it is a si tranny???

isn't it almost impossible to tell? correct me here... but don't ppl just swap all the gears out and just place it something else inside there anwyas? i mean.. dont those ppl just go. here is a si tranny or R tranny.. but inside is just all ls/gsr gears?

wont it be impossible to know until you test it?

Safir

you know, you can find the gear ratio by jacking the car up, putting it in gear, then turning the motor by hand and counting the number of revs it takes to turn the wheel one full turn. do this for all five gears, then if you know at least one of the gears for sure or the final drive you can calculate all the other gear ratios.

Make sure you pull the plugs before you try to turn the motor over btw or it will get pretty difficult...