onedtec

Wud up fellas i just recently purchased my S2k about a month ago...I'm planning on getting TE37's 16x8 in the rear and 16x7 in the front...The stock offset in the fronts are 55 and rears 65...if i get the TE's what should the offset be the highest offset is +46 for the rears and +42 in the fronts...Im just a lil confused about the offsets im still not clear on it...and im also not to sure what tire size i should run...thanks...
D-tec

Nishant

+46 in rear will rub if you are lowered

papa5murf

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not if he's going with 16x8..... just have a little camber...

brasilracing

Just curious, why would you go 16s, especially in the width you mentioned? Just stay stock then.

B18C5

Wheel width doesn't have that much to do with whether he's going to rub or not. Plus, increasing the camber isn't going to make a HUGE difference. Camber is adjusted by moving the bottom of the wheel out, not by moving the top in. It'll still help tuck it, but not more than a few mils.

Whether that kind of offset will fit depends on the tire size. You'd be severely limiting your tire size choices by going with an offset like that. How about this as a reference. 275s with 65 camber will BARELY squeeze without rubbing, and that's with full negative camber. Some people get away with 63mm, but even that is pushing it. So if you're going from 65 to 46 you're losing 19mm of available width -- on one side. So you'd have to run with a tire 38mm narrower than a 275 to be able to fit. So you might be able to get away with a 235, but then again, depending on the width of that specific brand of tire it might not. Plus, an 8" rim might make the tire sit differently and you might get rubbing issues again. So it would probably work fine with a 225. But why would you want to run a tire like that in the rear?

You'd be much better running with stock wheels than 16" Volks. If you're going to spend the cash, why not go with 17" Volks? They come close enough to the right offset (50 front 63 rear), and the width is 7.5 front and 9 rear. If they're for the track you can go as big as 245/45 in the front with 275/40 in the rear! That's some serious tire!

ImportHatch

You dont think camber sucks the top of the tire in? I can send you some pics of my bagged truck and you can tell me that camber doesnt suck the top in.

Yager-

B18C5

Please post your pics and explain to us how you are relevant to the conversation.

ImportHatch

The reason that it is relevant is because you are saying camber wont help with clearance problems, When in reality it does. Of course the top of the tire comes in. Now if camber does not move the top of the tire in, then why is the top of my tire now about 10" away from the fender at the top, and about 1/2" inside the lip when the trucks all the way up?
If your gonna make some statement about it being diff suspension, I'll post up some pics of some IRS's in trucks to show you its the same thing. Cant believe it. If you just think about it, the whole rim/tire is tilting so they both change. Dont see how you can say camber wont help clearance issues. Another pic for reference.

Yager-


Modified by ImportHatch at 10:39 AM 5/21/2005

papa5murf

rofl.......

"Camber is adjusted by moving the bottom of the wheel out, not by moving the top in"

... by moving the bottom out the top moves in.... in return giving you more clearance up top where the tire/wheel would hit the fender.... and a few MM can do wonders...

but you're right about limiting the availible tires for the setup......

and with 16x8 +46 in the rear.. he won't have much problems....especially if he's not dropped...

B18C5

Sorry Yager, I didn't think you'd actually do it. Reread my post and see where I said that camber doesn't make wheels tuck. I didn't say anything about that, I was commenting on the way camber is adjusted on S2000s.

I totally agree, a few mm can be all you need. I had some major rubbing problems when I put my 275s on. I had my camber brought out all the way and now it clears.

I don't know about where other people are rubbing, but I actually didn't get any rubbing on the fender lip. Mine was just barely rubbing the edge of the base of the screw that holds the rear bumper on. It must have been pretty violent, since I found large sand/small pebbles in the seam between the bumper and the body. It must have shook them apart and let the pebbles in!

papa5murf

well 275's are pretty wide.... he's not going to be putting on 275's on his 8's

ImportHatch

It's cool man. Didn't mean to sound like an *** or anything was just trying to clarify it.

Yager-

eMpAtHy

u can fit really wide tires on the back. u are just going to need some wierd *** offset. i am pretty sure u can fit a 10 inch wheel in the back..its going to stick pretty damn far off the car too. is it practical? hell no. would u get more grip? probably. its going to look frickin retarded tho.

change ur offset. it's kind of like deep dishes.. move ur wheels further out. but the 17's will work fine for ur car. imo, go with the 17's

03_AP1

I have a 9" rim on the back with 63 mm offset

papa5murf

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by eMpAtHy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">u can fit really wide tires on the back. u are just going to need some wierd *** offset. i am pretty sure u can fit a 10 inch wheel in the back..its going to stick pretty damn far off the car too. is it practical? hell no. would u get more grip? probably. its going to look frickin retarded tho.

change ur offset. it's kind of like deep dishes.. move ur wheels further out. but the 17's will work fine for ur car. imo, go with the 17's</TD></TR></TABLE>

buddy of mine as a 10 in the rear +72 offset and they don't stick out.....

another buddy has 10.5 in the rear.. custom hre's with custom offset.. not sure what his offset is but those don't stick out either...

Scot

you can run the stock sized tires.... There aren't too many people running 16" TE37's but they are definately a lot lighter than the stock wheels.

I have 16" CE28N's on my S2000 and they are probably 6-7lbs lighter per corner!

Depending on what size tires and brand you may have to roll your rear fender if you lower your car a bunch....

I run 245/45/16 Hoosiers on the back of mine and did roll my fenders, but my car is racing only.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by onedtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wud up fellas i just recently purchased my S2k about a month ago...I'm planning on getting TE37's 16x8 in the rear and 16x7 in the front...The stock offset in the fronts are 55 and rears 65...if i get the TE's what should the offset be the highest offset is +46 for the rears and +42 in the fronts...Im just a lil confused about the offsets im still not clear on it...and im also not to sure what tire size i should run...thanks...
D-tec

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onedtec

thanks for the input guys...yeah im actually going to get 17's just dont know what widths yet...maybe 8.5 or 9 in the rears and 7.5 or 8 in the fronts...
-Darr

Scot

17's fit for sure....they are usually 17*7.5 fronts with 48mm offsets and 17*8.5's with 50mm offsets.

even lowered you should be fine unless you try to squeeze some goofy sized tires on them.

B18C5

They actually make Volks closer to the right offset now. They come in 17x7.5 +50 and 17x9 +63. You can certainly fit anything you want up to 235s in the front and 275s in the rear. There is no better choice for an off the shelf wheel for our cars.

However, 03s2k, do you have any more info about those 17x10 and 17x10.5 wheels? That sounds like it may allow something STUPID CRAZY like some 315s! I looked up HRE's site and they want something nasty like 1k a wheel!?!

Scot

you can custom order a 17*9 TE37 w/ 63mm offsets? I know they make CE28Ns in that same size and offset, but had not heard about TE's.

Also, i think 285's with the proper offsets are all but touching on the inside and need fenders rolled....couldn't imagine how a set of 315's would fit unless you went with a lower offset and went ghetto with them sticking out by a decent amount.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They actually make Volks closer to the right offset now. They come in 17x7.5 +50 and 17x9 +63. You can certainly fit anything you want up to 235s in the front and 275s in the rear. There is no better choice for an off the shelf wheel for our cars.

However, 03s2k, do you have any more info about those 17x10 and 17x10.5 wheels? That sounds like it may allow something STUPID CRAZY like some 315s! I looked up HRE's site and they want something nasty like 1k a wheel!?!</TD></TR></TABLE>

owen_the_soyboy

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">However, 03s2k, do you have any more info about those 17x10 and 17x10.5 wheels? That sounds like it may allow something STUPID CRAZY like some 315s! I looked up HRE's site and they want something nasty like 1k a wheel!?!</TD></TR></TABLE>even though you might be able to squeeze a 10.5 wide wheel out back it doesnt mean you will be able to fit a 315 on it and not rub anything, the 315 wide tires are another inch or 1.5 wider than most 275's, so dont be too optimistic unless your friendly with a cutting wheel and dont care about your fenders.

I run 285's out back on my rx7 on a 10'' wheel and thats a lot of rubber, almost an inch wider than the 275's up front. even then, compared to a 315, the 285's are much smaller and the 275's are waaaaaaaaaay smaller than a 315. its ridiculous how fat a 315 is, especially on the sidewall where it buldges out a bit... trust me, theyre never fitting on an S2000 without weidebody fenders. Ive even seen 335's out back on Bnjmn's rx7, its just insanity on a 17x12 wheel!

oh yeah, CCW (complete custom wheels) has excellent prices and HRE like quality and they are very lightweight, definitely look into CCW if you are gonna do something wide and ya got half the bucks of HRE to spend.

B18C5

Hrm. I don't mean to post another link to s2ki, but I saw the TE37s pictured here with the proper offset underneath. http://www.s2ki.com/forums/ind...60491 Further down it clarifies that the TE37s are 8.5 with the wrong offset. Bummer.

I actually know a tire shop proprietor who managed to fit a 315 on the back of an S2000 without going widebody. I'm pretty sure he rolled the fenders, but nothing else. They were definitely custom wheels, and I'm 99% sure they were 18". I assume he had a crazy (+75ish?) offset as well. I think that they were 18" helped a lot to get them to fit. It would give more clearance for the wishbone to have an extra half inch diameter. I'll have to ask him exactly how he did it the next time I'm there.

Going 315 is probalby more of a "wouldn't it be nice" thing rather than something I'd actually do. I don't think I'd be able to put enough rubber on the front to match it. It would be nice to put a 275 on the front to match, but I don't think that's really possible.

However, using OEM 17x8.5s on the front with a 10mm spacer might work well with a 245/45, which might match up well with a 17x10 on the back with a custom offset and 275s... Hehe.

owen_the_soyboy

wow a 315 out back would be impressive. I see your playing the numbers game, its hard to get it all correct, isnt it? especially when there isnt a huge database of solid info on the subject.

indeed, 315's out back and 275's up front would be wild on an S2000 but then you would take a big hit in the cars tossability, and that is one of the best characteristics of an S2000, that it can dance around a course without too much muscle from your forearms.

onedtec

Damn I think i found a winner lol the 17x9 and 17x7.5 or 8 LE37's i think not too sure yet...lol...
-Darr

eMpAtHy

hrmm..do i hear widebodies s2k's coming pretty soon