That says more about driver ability then the capability of the cars.

 

"Lowered" on swift

 

i was annoyed at the sweeping general statement that lowered springs will make your car handle worse, and therefore you are dumb. I didn't feel the need to justify my response. Nor do i now really, but here goes.

Whilst lowering a car on springs alone may run you the risk of negatively affecting the handling your car, it is not a given. If done correctly and carefully it can better it - lower centre of gravity, camber etc.
I do concede that they will rarely give a better result than good coilovers, but there is not always the need to go that far - particularly for the guys that race for fun on occasion or just push it on the street. If i was racing competitively again, i wouldn't even consider springs alone as i would want to fine tune my settings depending on conditions and track. But it's a fairly arrogant person that just says 'get coils or your dumb' without questioning the reason or driving style etc. etc.
I will also concede that it may reduce the life of the stock shocks, although stiffer springs can on occasion protect the shock to a small degree.
I understand suspension reasonably well (no expert) - i'm not a mechanic, and i've always driven and adjusted my cars based on how they feel - more recently the way it looks is more important. Track times and shaving off fractions is no longer of interest to me.
Tarmac junkie is right in many ways for certain applications but his answer in this thread was mostly irrelevant and far too general - and to suggest that a lot of people are dumb based on his tunnel vision is actually the dumb comment.
Your fanboy approach of sticking up for him (who doesn't seem to need it by the way) and attempting to belittle me also throws you in to the category of dumb.

For everyone else who has had to read all of this ****, i apologise and will never write this much again - my fingers are tired and my head hurts from dealing with idiots.

My springs are over a year old - i love the handling, noticed nothing negative from the stock setup, if anything a very slight increase in some corner speeds - if i was on a very rough course or riding bumps hard, i may have noticed a very small decrease in performance. This is not the case.

To splash out on coils would have been a 'dumb' move for me, but it may fit in the future.

Get your head from out of your ****.

 

What do you mean "the lower you center of gravity the better the handling as long as it stays in the suspensions geometry"?

I will ignore the gramatical and spelling errors. It's still hard to understand.

Stays in the suspension's geometry? That's like saying "my dog is thirsty because it cabbage in the truck". This isn't mad libs. Stuff has to make sense.

What does his ITR have to do with anything? You've really given no reasons to back up your thoughts. You just said a bunch of nonsense...and then swore at a guy on the internet.

I'm not trying to E-fight with you. I'm just saying...you should spend more time making sense than E-attacking some guy.


In his defense...I don't think twerp is really a word.

Tarmac junkie: Iduno how accurate the statement is about all lowering springs harming the S2000's handling.

The handling is good from the factory. The damping is VERY good from the factory. The stock dampers can take substantially more spring rate and still work.

There are a lot of rice burglar springs that are too low and too soft with bad bias. However, there are other springs that are performance oriented.

Your statement that the S2000's handling cannot be improved without buying EXPENSIVE coilovers is also wrong.

You can improve over the stock handling with even garbage coilovers. A lot of it lies within the rest of the tuning. The stock suspension isn't so good that there is no room for improvement unless you spend millions.

HOWEVER!! I'll say that crappy coilovers are very one dimensional. You may gain handling prowess on smooth tracks...but you'll lose ride quality, damping of bumps; and hence, handling on bumps (most tracks are bumpy too), damper longevity, quality, etc. etc. etc.

The advantage of an expensive coilover is that it brings ride quality and longevity, etc. together with handling.

For example: My KWs feel like they glide over bumps even with my Recaro Pole positions. Friends have said that the ride almost feels stock over most bumps. But the car has no perceptible body roll at the same time. The damping is also guaranteed for life. The car handles mid corner bumps at Autobahn CC and Gingerman very well. They're also very adjustable.

If you don't need all the adjustability and other features, get springs.

A lot of these guys don't care about real handling anyway. They're just going to use them as street cars. Who cares if you can't fly into the neighborhood turn at 90mph if other people are talking about how "hella tight" your "new setup" looks.

 

so yea any more pics??

 

This is taken an hour after putting the springs on...

 

If I may, suspension setups vary from person to person with different driving styles and objectives. Of course, some people can't drive for **** and wouldn't know the difference, and others do. The internet can be, and is, an excellent source for information, yet one should be careful of what they read, and realize how biased the source could be or is.

There are many manufacturers out there who produce excellent products ranging from lowering springs to full-race coil-over systems with resevoirs for the dampers. On that note, it's great that people post their opinions and personal experiences in the internet, but is it necessary to bash on other people's opinions? They may be wrong, partially wrong, but why not reason or try to understand why they think the way they do?

Now, to the OP, what are you looking for? General ride quality, adjustable capabilities, lowered looks? What is your budget? What are your goals? Street driving, occasional track use (road courses, autoX, drag?)

So far, this whole thread has not contributed much to what the OP is looking for.

And a side note on the green wheels, good Lord those wheels look horrendous... But, as I said earlier, it's my opinion. It may look good to you, and more power to you, but holy buckets....

 

Neuspeed springs immediately after fitting - they dropped a bit more over about a week, in particular the fronts - it sits level all round now..

 

im looking for a nice drop like the black s2k above with occasional road course use.

 

Did you try searching???

 

Mine is sitting on espiliers, sorry of the crap phone pics.

 

thanks for the pics guys!

 

Buddy Club N+

 

^^very clean, proly one of the cleanest ap1's I've seen! The V1 wheels rock!

 

Thus making you an expert on all things car related

You mean, providing incorrect and biased information without ANY data backing your weak argument


my "ill-handling" s2000 with the eibach pro-kits seems to do well at autocrosses and track days compared to stock height S2000s. but, then again, I'm not a driving instructor, so my experience is completely null and void.

 

oh, don't get coilovers unless you are prepared to do suspension tuning...

 

i stopped reading after that. thanks for playing

 

thanks

 

Since when is the buddy club N+ a lowering spring?

 

Eibach's on my S and couldn't be anymore happy. Ride is good, cheap, and subtle.

 

What else would people buy coil overs for? track use?!

 

No way!! I bought mine so I could polish them to a mirror shine. I don't need ****. I just get off by looking at myself in the mirror. So with the shiny coilovers, I can just take care of everything in the garage.

 

i just lowered mine on skunk 2 springs ill get some pics...

 

yea plz post id like to see how it would look was leaning towards the skunk2

 

Mine was on Skunks for a while. I was told by someone at Skunk2 to put them on one way. Then a tech told me to put them on this way:







I think the back sat WAAAAAAAAYYYY too high. My friend had them on the other way and the front looked higher than the back. So it really didn't look right either way. Iduno...I wasn't really a huge fan.

It sits kinda like this now on KW V3s: