s2000 itb's
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s2000 itb's
im thinking of getting itb's
how much of a pain is it to upgrade to itb set up?
can you do it without upgrading your internals?
how much hp gain?
twm vs. toda, how much?? and what are the differences?
are they pretty stable, reliabilty wise.
i currently have:
mugen intake kit
toda headers
toda flywheel
toda clutch
mugen exhaust
can anyone list what mods i would need?
as much as possible i dont want to upgrade my internals that why im wondering if it can be done.
thanks for your time
how much of a pain is it to upgrade to itb set up?
can you do it without upgrading your internals?
how much hp gain?
twm vs. toda, how much?? and what are the differences?
are they pretty stable, reliabilty wise.
i currently have:
mugen intake kit
toda headers
toda flywheel
toda clutch
mugen exhaust
can anyone list what mods i would need?
as much as possible i dont want to upgrade my internals that why im wondering if it can be done.
thanks for your time
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Re: s2000 itb's (PAC_MAN)
you'll want an AEM EMS or some other higher form of tuning.... so you can tune those ITB's... they aren't easy to tune.. and they are very loud for street driving....
you won't get much power out of it either... but it is bling..
you won't get much power out of it either... but it is bling..
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Re: s2000 itb's (papa5murf)
ITB's are mostly bling...
get AEM EMS to tune them...
Before you buy them, make sure you have a tuner who you trust.
they really arn't any good unless you have a nice all motor setup to compliment them. if not you won't see much power gain at all...
get AEM EMS to tune them...
Before you buy them, make sure you have a tuner who you trust.
they really arn't any good unless you have a nice all motor setup to compliment them. if not you won't see much power gain at all...
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Re: s2000 itb's (papa5murf)
I thought there were a few people with ITB's that with proper dyno tuning and mapping were able to extract 40+ hp at peak on F20c's. Wasn't there one owner that got 60+hp out of his ITB setup?
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Re: s2000 itb's (Luder94)
^ haven't seen those numbers.....
the car that's seen the most out of the itb setup that i know of is matt (local guy) whites2000@16 of s2ki....but he's got a 2.5L stroker also... i haven't seen anyone else top his hp numbers NA.
the car that's seen the most out of the itb setup that i know of is matt (local guy) whites2000@16 of s2ki....but he's got a 2.5L stroker also... i haven't seen anyone else top his hp numbers NA.
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Re: s2000 itb's (papa5murf)
thanks for all the replies guys. im really interested on getting them. still waiting for answers for these q's:
how much of a pain is it to upgrade to itb set up?
can you do it without upgrading your internals?
twm vs. toda, how much?? and what are the differences?
are they pretty stable, reliabilty wise.
also someone mentioned that its loud, how loud is it. does it sound like a car without a header. too loud for the street?? so loud enough to get pulled over. i mean is it loud but it sounds nice. can someone elaborate pls.
how much of a pain is it to upgrade to itb set up?
can you do it without upgrading your internals?
twm vs. toda, how much?? and what are the differences?
are they pretty stable, reliabilty wise.
also someone mentioned that its loud, how loud is it. does it sound like a car without a header. too loud for the street?? so loud enough to get pulled over. i mean is it loud but it sounds nice. can someone elaborate pls.
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Re: s2000 itb's (PAC_MAN)
its not a pain to upgrade, just expensive.
you can do it without upgrading your internals.
TWM is cheaper and have customer support in the US which is a huge plus, also have different sizes and lengths. TODA sports injection kit comes in one size only, cost more and if you run into trouble you're **** out of luck.
They are realiable, drivability will not differ if tuned correctly.
it is not too loud for the streets nor is it enough to get pulled over for. Intake sound is different from an exhaust sound. Just imagine a louder intake.
you can do it without upgrading your internals.
TWM is cheaper and have customer support in the US which is a huge plus, also have different sizes and lengths. TODA sports injection kit comes in one size only, cost more and if you run into trouble you're **** out of luck.
They are realiable, drivability will not differ if tuned correctly.
it is not too loud for the streets nor is it enough to get pulled over for. Intake sound is different from an exhaust sound. Just imagine a louder intake.
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Re: s2000 itb's (PAC_MAN)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PAC_MAN »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
how much of a pain is it to upgrade to itb set up?
can you do it without upgrading your internals?
twm vs. toda, how much?? and what are the differences?
are they pretty stable, reliabilty wise.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
1. it's not a pain to upgrade to one.. it's just a pain for tuning..
2. you don't need to upgrade your internals... you might want to upgrade some of the fuel components on your car.. cause you will be bringing in a lot more air.. so you need more fuel to compensate and mix with it...
3. dunno about price... toda is really hard to get ahold of...
4. they are pretty stable, and they can be reliable if you get it tuned properly...
loud:.. yes it's very loud... but that will vary from person to person depending on what you consider loud.. if your state has issues with cops and modded cars.. you might run into some trouble..
how much of a pain is it to upgrade to itb set up?
can you do it without upgrading your internals?
twm vs. toda, how much?? and what are the differences?
are they pretty stable, reliabilty wise.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
1. it's not a pain to upgrade to one.. it's just a pain for tuning..
2. you don't need to upgrade your internals... you might want to upgrade some of the fuel components on your car.. cause you will be bringing in a lot more air.. so you need more fuel to compensate and mix with it...
3. dunno about price... toda is really hard to get ahold of...
4. they are pretty stable, and they can be reliable if you get it tuned properly...
loud:.. yes it's very loud... but that will vary from person to person depending on what you consider loud.. if your state has issues with cops and modded cars.. you might run into some trouble..
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Re: s2000 itb's (c17r15)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by c17r15 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not just for bling.
its for RESPONSE and optimum air flow at ANY RPM.
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I would be willing to bet that most of those gains were from the EMS and tuning and not so much the ITB's. But you can't measure/indicate the change in throttle response......
its for RESPONSE and optimum air flow at ANY RPM.
</TD></TR></TABLE>I would be willing to bet that most of those gains were from the EMS and tuning and not so much the ITB's. But you can't measure/indicate the change in throttle response......
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spoon.eg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ITB+F20/F22=Waste of money.</TD></TR></TABLE>
for shows, no...
for daily driver, yes...
for all motor setup, no...
for shows, no...
for daily driver, yes...
for all motor setup, no...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spoon.eg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ITB+F20/F22=Waste of money.</TD></TR></TABLE>
IYO
Thats the nice thing about owning our own cars, we can do what ever we want to them. If I wanted to drive off a cliff and land on your car that would be my choice.
In the end, everything is a waste of money.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Francesco »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ITB's are mostly bling...
get AEM EMS to tune them...
Before you buy them, make sure you have a tuner who you trust.
they really aren't any good unless you have a nice all motor setup to compliment them. if not you won't see much power gain at all...</TD></TR></TABLE>
ITB's are not bling. They're functional. They're not just for adding higher horsepower numbers, but for adding better throttle response as well.
Yes, some sort of aftermarket engine management is going to be needed to tune them. The AEM EMS is recommended but there are other options.
They are known to be hard to tune, but not impossible. All the guys I know with them have their setup working fine and it wasnt as hard as everyone makes it seem.
The S2000 comes very well built from the factory and is a great all motor setup. Adding other mods like a better flowing exhaust system is only going to help with response and power that you already have.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by c17r15 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it is not too loud for the streets nor is it enough to get pulled over for. Intake sound is different from an exhaust sound. Just imagine a louder intake.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yep, with his mugen exhaust he will be just fine.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PAC_MAN »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks to everyone. im going to pick up the twm itbs sometime after xmas. i never posted a pic of my car here, i will as soon as i get it done.
- jacob</TD></TR></TABLE>
Please do. A movie would be even better if possible.
IYO
Thats the nice thing about owning our own cars, we can do what ever we want to them. If I wanted to drive off a cliff and land on your car that would be my choice.
In the end, everything is a waste of money.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Francesco »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ITB's are mostly bling...
get AEM EMS to tune them...
Before you buy them, make sure you have a tuner who you trust.
they really aren't any good unless you have a nice all motor setup to compliment them. if not you won't see much power gain at all...</TD></TR></TABLE>
ITB's are not bling. They're functional. They're not just for adding higher horsepower numbers, but for adding better throttle response as well.
Yes, some sort of aftermarket engine management is going to be needed to tune them. The AEM EMS is recommended but there are other options.
They are known to be hard to tune, but not impossible. All the guys I know with them have their setup working fine and it wasnt as hard as everyone makes it seem.
The S2000 comes very well built from the factory and is a great all motor setup. Adding other mods like a better flowing exhaust system is only going to help with response and power that you already have.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by c17r15 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it is not too loud for the streets nor is it enough to get pulled over for. Intake sound is different from an exhaust sound. Just imagine a louder intake.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yep, with his mugen exhaust he will be just fine.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PAC_MAN »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks to everyone. im going to pick up the twm itbs sometime after xmas. i never posted a pic of my car here, i will as soon as i get it done.
- jacob</TD></TR></TABLE>
Please do. A movie would be even better if possible.
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Re: s2000 itb's (PAC_MAN)
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IYO
Thats the nice thing about owning our own cars, we can do what ever we want to them. If I wanted to drive off a cliff and land on your car that would be my choice.
In the end, everything is a waste of money.
ITB's are not bling. They're functional. They're not just for adding higher horsepower numbers, but for adding better throttle response as well.
Yes, some sort of aftermarket engine management is going to be needed to tune them. The AEM EMS is recommended but there are other options.
They are known to be hard to tune, but not impossible. All the guys I know with them have their setup working fine and it wasnt as hard as everyone makes it seem.
The S2000 comes very well built from the factory and is a great all motor setup. Adding other mods like a better flowing exhaust system is only going to help with response and power that you already have.
Yep, with his mugen exhaust he will be just fine.
Please do. A movie would be even better if possible.</TD></TR></TABLE>
no prob, i will as soon as i get it, thanks for everyones replies once again.
or 
really helped me decide. btw that vid was pretty sick. makes me wanna get it now. 
IYO
Thats the nice thing about owning our own cars, we can do what ever we want to them. If I wanted to drive off a cliff and land on your car that would be my choice.
In the end, everything is a waste of money.
ITB's are not bling. They're functional. They're not just for adding higher horsepower numbers, but for adding better throttle response as well.
Yes, some sort of aftermarket engine management is going to be needed to tune them. The AEM EMS is recommended but there are other options.
They are known to be hard to tune, but not impossible. All the guys I know with them have their setup working fine and it wasnt as hard as everyone makes it seem.
The S2000 comes very well built from the factory and is a great all motor setup. Adding other mods like a better flowing exhaust system is only going to help with response and power that you already have.
Yep, with his mugen exhaust he will be just fine.
Please do. A movie would be even better if possible.</TD></TR></TABLE>
no prob, i will as soon as i get it, thanks for everyones replies once again.
or really helped me decide. btw that vid was pretty sick. makes me wanna get it now.
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Re: (NAallTheWAY)
another alternative to ITB's would be the new full race manifold coming out.
just shooting that out there because i thought i was fully set on Individual's but seeing how the full race manifold makes decent power and tuning shouldnt be as hard as individual's, you might want to think about it.
price is around $1300 for the FULLRACE manifold, and their products are known to perform very well. for hayward individuals, your looking at $2700.
good luck with itb's if you go that route, who knows i might still head that way as well.
for art's s2k, that is the OG s2k on individual's and my exhaust
just shooting that out there because i thought i was fully set on Individual's but seeing how the full race manifold makes decent power and tuning shouldnt be as hard as individual's, you might want to think about it.
price is around $1300 for the FULLRACE manifold, and their products are known to perform very well. for hayward individuals, your looking at $2700.
good luck with itb's if you go that route, who knows i might still head that way as well.
for art's s2k, that is the OG s2k on individual's and my exhaust
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Re: (PAC_MAN)
Full-Race intake manifold looks like a well built design but it will not perform up to par with ITB that is set up correctly. ITB's are very diffcult to tune correctly that's why you dont see much gains from them. The throttle responde on ITB is like a motorcycle which no intake manifold can provide.
It depend on your taste and what do you prefer. But in the end it really depend how fat your wallet is. A well tune ITB set up with EMS system will run you close to 4-5g's.
Good luck
I opt for boost too! hahah
It depend on your taste and what do you prefer. But in the end it really depend how fat your wallet is. A well tune ITB set up with EMS system will run you close to 4-5g's.
Good luck
I opt for boost too! hahah
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Re: (SiBirdie)
I'm definitely going to go this route as well but I still have some questions about it (even after reading Honda Tuning's article where they added a home-made ITB setup to some EF d-series car).
In states where all we have are safety and emissions (which is literally just what the tailpipe puffs out) can the AEM EMS be tuned to still pass emissions?
I mean... it's not a huge amount of work to swap the IM and ECU once a year I guess, but would definitely be preferably avoided if possible...
Also, I've seen a number of people who create a box of sorts around the ITB's so as to be able to use a CAI-type pipe with filter. Obviously this would slightly reduce the HP gains, but throttle response is still significantly higher than with a single TB/manifold design... any ideas on how one would go about making one of these?
In states where all we have are safety and emissions (which is literally just what the tailpipe puffs out) can the AEM EMS be tuned to still pass emissions?
I mean... it's not a huge amount of work to swap the IM and ECU once a year I guess, but would definitely be preferably avoided if possible...
Also, I've seen a number of people who create a box of sorts around the ITB's so as to be able to use a CAI-type pipe with filter. Obviously this would slightly reduce the HP gains, but throttle response is still significantly higher than with a single TB/manifold design... any ideas on how one would go about making one of these?