reducing wheel gap
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reducing wheel gap
hello all,
im new to the s2k world but not new to Honda's.
I recently picked up a sm 00 ap1. I absolutely LOVE the handling characteristics of the car but have one small problem:
I would like to reduce the wheel gap about an 1.5"
The car feels perfectly balanced and i hate to modify the suspension
my question is: would it be ideal to install a set of lowering springs?
I hear good things about eibach and espelir (hope i spelled that right)
But ive also heard that lowering your car more than 1" without having adjustable suspension will affect the handling characteristics, is this true?
if so, are they drastic changes? what changes can i expect?
Im not a big fan of adjustable suspension seeing as how i would have to re align and re corner balance the car after adjusting the ride height.
Any help will be greatly appreciated, thanks guys!
im new to the s2k world but not new to Honda's.
I recently picked up a sm 00 ap1. I absolutely LOVE the handling characteristics of the car but have one small problem:
I would like to reduce the wheel gap about an 1.5"
The car feels perfectly balanced and i hate to modify the suspension
my question is: would it be ideal to install a set of lowering springs?
I hear good things about eibach and espelir (hope i spelled that right)
But ive also heard that lowering your car more than 1" without having adjustable suspension will affect the handling characteristics, is this true?
if so, are they drastic changes? what changes can i expect?
Im not a big fan of adjustable suspension seeing as how i would have to re align and re corner balance the car after adjusting the ride height.
Any help will be greatly appreciated, thanks guys!
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Re: reducing wheel gap (ken-e)
you will need to get a four wheel alignment a few days after installing the springs. just let them settle and get a good alignment done on them. as for springs, others will chime in what drops to what.
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Re: reducing wheel gap (Mr. Bagel)
espelirs are 1.3" drop all the way around. after 2 months mine seemed to settle a little bit lower. i still need to get my alignment done. as for handling, she rides even better
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Youll be satisfied with a 1 inch drop. Thats plenty enough drop to kill some wheel gap. you need an alignment no matter what suspension work you go with. Handling shouldnt change that much. If anything go with the euro spec alignment and your handling will feel even better.
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euro spec alignment?
is this something commonly done at a typical wheel alignment shop?
how is this alignment different?
Thanks guys!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by revhi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Youll be satisfied with a 1 inch drop. Thats plenty enough drop to kill some wheel gap. you need an alignment no matter what suspension work you go with. Handling shouldnt change that much. If anything go with the euro spec alignment and your handling will feel even better.</TD></TR></TABLE>
is this something commonly done at a typical wheel alignment shop?
how is this alignment different?
Thanks guys!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by revhi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Youll be satisfied with a 1 inch drop. Thats plenty enough drop to kill some wheel gap. you need an alignment no matter what suspension work you go with. Handling shouldnt change that much. If anything go with the euro spec alignment and your handling will feel even better.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ken-e »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">euro spec alignment?
is this something commonly done at a typical wheel alignment shop?
how is this alignment different?
Thanks guys!
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Good Q, I'd like to know the answer as well.
As far as springs, I have Espelir on my '01(same suspension as your '00) and I love them. Awesome drop, good ride, not much change in handling characteristics. I would recommend them for street/light track purposes.
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is this something commonly done at a typical wheel alignment shop?
how is this alignment different?
Thanks guys!
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Good Q, I'd like to know the answer as well.
As far as springs, I have Espelir on my '01(same suspension as your '00) and I love them. Awesome drop, good ride, not much change in handling characteristics. I would recommend them for street/light track purposes.
This should help...
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Euro spec is just different alignment settings than used for the typical US S2000 settings.
Just take this to your alignment shop.
Honda (UK) Recommended Optimum Specification
Front
Caster Left 6° 45"
Caster Right 6° 45"
Camber Left -1° 00"
Camber Right -1° 00"
Toe Left 0° 0"
Toe Right 0° 0"
Total Toe 0° 0"
Rear
Camber Left -2° 00"
Camber Right -2° 00"
Toe Left 0° 20"
Toe Right 0° 20"
Total Toe 0° 40"
Just take this to your alignment shop.
Honda (UK) Recommended Optimum Specification
Front
Caster Left 6° 45"
Caster Right 6° 45"
Camber Left -1° 00"
Camber Right -1° 00"
Toe Left 0° 0"
Toe Right 0° 0"
Total Toe 0° 0"
Rear
Camber Left -2° 00"
Camber Right -2° 00"
Toe Left 0° 20"
Toe Right 0° 20"
Total Toe 0° 40"
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by revhi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Euro spec is just different alignment settings than used for the typical US S2000 settings.
Just take this to your alignment shop.
Honda (UK) Recommended Optimum Specification
Front
Caster Left 6° 45"
Caster Right 6° 45"
Camber Left -1° 00"
Camber Right -1° 00"
Toe Left 0° 0"
Toe Right 0° 0"
Total Toe 0° 0"
Rear
Camber Left -2° 00"
Camber Right -2° 00"
Toe Left 0° 20"
Toe Right 0° 20"
Total Toe 0° 40" </TD></TR></TABLE>awesome! thanks for that
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NAallTheWAY »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Good Q, I'd like to know the answer as well.
As far as springs, I have Espelir on my '01(same suspension as your '00) and I love them. Awesome drop, good ride, not much change in handling characteristics. I would recommend them for street/light track purposes.
This should help...
Before
After
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THANKS!
those are actually the springs im looking at, and my car also sm with red-black interior
Just take this to your alignment shop.
Honda (UK) Recommended Optimum Specification
Front
Caster Left 6° 45"
Caster Right 6° 45"
Camber Left -1° 00"
Camber Right -1° 00"
Toe Left 0° 0"
Toe Right 0° 0"
Total Toe 0° 0"
Rear
Camber Left -2° 00"
Camber Right -2° 00"
Toe Left 0° 20"
Toe Right 0° 20"
Total Toe 0° 40" </TD></TR></TABLE>awesome! thanks for that
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NAallTheWAY »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Good Q, I'd like to know the answer as well.
As far as springs, I have Espelir on my '01(same suspension as your '00) and I love them. Awesome drop, good ride, not much change in handling characteristics. I would recommend them for street/light track purposes.
This should help...
Before
After
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THANKS!
those are actually the springs im looking at, and my car also sm with red-black interior
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nishant »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">toe in is positive and toe out is negative, is this correct?</TD></TR></TABLE>
lol I always thought it was the other way around....hmmm.
all i know is "toe in" means the front of the tyres are facing each other and "toe out" means the rear of the tyres are facing each other.
lol I always thought it was the other way around....hmmm.
all i know is "toe in" means the front of the tyres are facing each other and "toe out" means the rear of the tyres are facing each other.
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Re: reducing wheel gap (ken-e)
we have a 02 S2000 for our shop car and we installed the Eibach springs, and after a couple of days to let the springs settle we got it aligned and love it, no problems, handles and drives awsome!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EG-EK-RideN »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">we have a 02 S2000 for our shop car and we installed the Eibach springs, and after a couple of days to let the springs settle we got it aligned and love it, no problems, handles and drives awsome! </TD></TR></TABLE>nice, what was the drop on the springs?
</TD></TR></TABLE>nice, what was the drop on the springs?
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Re: reducing wheel gap (Luder94)
i can explain everything about caster , camber, and toe , but its hard over the net ... and Nishant doesnt know what his talking about 
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Re: reducing wheel gap (Luder94)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Luder94 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey mf'er!!!
Post up those pics with the new wheels on the car!!!! I don't care if it's not dropped yet! Get those babies up in pictures.</TD></TR></TABLE>lol, alright Urmil, i'll work on them this weekend
Post up those pics with the new wheels on the car!!!! I don't care if it's not dropped yet! Get those babies up in pictures.</TD></TR></TABLE>lol, alright Urmil, i'll work on them this weekend
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Re: reducing wheel gap (ken-e)
one more question:
how does lowering your car on lowering springs affect the handling characteristics in a negative way, but lowering your car with adjustable coil-overs doesn't?
how does lowering your car on lowering springs affect the handling characteristics in a negative way, but lowering your car with adjustable coil-overs doesn't?
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Re: reducing wheel gap (Y2K_S2K)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Y2K_S2K »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i can explain everything about caster , camber, and toe , but its hard over the net ... and Nishant doesnt know what his talking about </TD></TR></TABLE>
coming from the guy that can't drive nor custom align his car
</TD></TR></TABLE>coming from the guy that can't drive nor custom align his car
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Re: reducing wheel gap (ken-e)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ken-e »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">one more question:
how does lowering your car on lowering springs affect the handling characteristics in a negative way, but lowering your car with adjustable coil-overs doesn't?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The lowering spring rates, in most cases, aren't matched to the OEM shocks. Coilovers have matched spring and damper.
how does lowering your car on lowering springs affect the handling characteristics in a negative way, but lowering your car with adjustable coil-overs doesn't?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The lowering spring rates, in most cases, aren't matched to the OEM shocks. Coilovers have matched spring and damper.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by qi_doy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When lowering 1 to 1.5 inches to you need to buy a camber kit to get the correct results?</TD></TR></TABLE>
our cars have camber adjustability stock so no need for a kit
our cars have camber adjustability stock so no need for a kit
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 240sxer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how much does spoon springs drop the car? how are the spring rates compared to the rest? i think its what? 4.7 and 5x or something.
</TD></TR></TABLE>inlinefour.com gives full specs on the spoon springs
thanks for jacking my thread btw
</TD></TR></TABLE>inlinefour.com gives full specs on the spoon springs
thanks for jacking my thread btw
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ken-e »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">inlinefour.com gives full specs on the spoon springs
thanks for jacking my thread btw </TD></TR></TABLE>
hey , its his job ... hes a noob remember?
thanks for jacking my thread btw
</TD></TR></TABLE>hey , its his job ... hes a noob remember?
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Re: reducing wheel gap (ITRbroham)
thats totally understandable, but i read a post that vtecvoodoo made in which he stated that lowering your car more than 1" affects the handling charachteristics unless one has adjustable suspension (ride height wize)<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITRbroham »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The lowering spring rates, in most cases, aren't matched to the OEM shocks. Coilovers have matched spring and damper.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The lowering spring rates, in most cases, aren't matched to the OEM shocks. Coilovers have matched spring and damper.</TD></TR></TABLE>