I tried to search couldn't come up with anything, My question to you guys is: Is there really a S200 Type V with the variable gear stuff???

 

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Yes they Exists

Only in Japan i think

 

yes only in japan... i used to have the honda of japan site in my fav but its missing. i'm sure someone on here has the link

 

And for you gamers...this was on GT3:



It is something that I would've definitely loved to have. Especially the 1.4 lock-to-lock steering!

Here is an article from a World Honda News site from July of 2000:

Honda to Launch S2000 Type V Equipped with the World's First Variable Gear Ratio Steering (VGS) System.

Tokyo, July 7, 2000 - Honda Motor Co., Ltd. announced today that it will launch the S2000 type V, a new version of the S2000, Honda's two-seater convertible sports car. The type V will be equipped with a variable gear ratio steering (VGS) system, the first in automotive history, and will go on sale throughout Japan through Honda's Verno dealership network from July 14, 2000.

The S2000 has established a new standard in the market by combining driving pleasure and excellent handling with a high level of environmentally friendly performance. It has been officially approved as an "excellent low-emission vehicle" and achieves exhaust emissions some 50% cleaner than those required by the Japanese Ministry of Transport's 2000 emission standards.

The VGS system, which will debut in the S2000 type V, varies the steering gear ratio continuously according to vehicle speed and steering angle to provide a heightened "joy of maneuvering." The adoption of this variable ratio system ensures ideal handling performance through a broad range of driving conditions. Agile and exhilarating performance is especially noticeable on winding roads, since the front end of the vehicle turns sharply in precise response to driver steering input. While cruising at high speeds on expressways, the VGS offers a smooth and progressive ratio setup without excessive sensitivity, providing the driver with the relaxed and reliable driving feel of conventional steering systems. Astonishingly, the lock-to- lock ratio* is almost halved to 1.4 turns for better maneuverability in the low speed ranges.


Major Features of the type V:
The world's first variable gear ratio steering (VGS) system
Specially developed chassis (including damper units, stabilizer and limited slip differential exclusively designed for the model) in order to best complement the VGS
Exclusive "type V" steering wheel
VGS badge (on rear)



Additional Changes to the S2000 Series:
New body color: Midnight Pearl for all trim levels
Optional red-colored leather seats for all body colors



Domestic Monthly Sales Target: 350 units (series total) (applicable in Japan only)


Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (excluding sales tax, units: x 1000 yen): (applicable in Japan only)

Tokyo Nagoya Osaka Fukuoka Sendai Sapporo Okinawa
3,380 3,391 3,396 3,407 3,384 3,421 3,461
3,560 3,571 3,576 3,587 3,564 3,601 3,461



Factory-installed factory options: (applicable in Japan only)

BBS aluminum alloy wheel (four wheels): 200,000
Leather seats (red or black): 100,000
Honda DVD Navigation System: 220,000

 

Hey guys, I came up with the original question, but my friend seem not to get it right. Since alot of people buy jdm parts like type-r parts for their civics and integras, I was wondering if s2k owners switch their steering system to the v-type one?? I would also guess that this would require to switch over ecu's too?

 

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Good luck getting a hold of one. Look at the article above, on 350 units to be produces total, and in Japan only.

 

You never really hear anyone refer to that model as type-V everyone generally says VGS because that is how the car is tagged.

The VGS system also ended up slowing the car down. Track reviewers found it intrusive while driving aggressively. This is why you never hear much about it state side.

 

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The VGS system also ended up slowing the car down. Track reviewers found it intrusive while driving aggressively. This is why you never hear much about it state side. </TD></TR></TABLE>

did you drive the car? How do you know it "ended up slowing the car down?" What you see in videos doesn't always mean the truth.

 

hrm..

thats odd that a quicker rack would slow track times.. Maybe they werent' accustomed to the quicker rack, and ended up spinning.

I can't imagine driving that thing the steering on the S is already boderline telepathic.

 

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thats odd that a quicker rack would slow track times.. Maybe they werent' accustomed to the quicker rack, and ended up spinning.

I can't imagine driving that thing the steering on the S is already boderline telepathic. </TD></TR></TABLE>

it's a speed sensitive power assist rack, some people have no idea about the system and just reiterate what they hear from someone that heard it.

 

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it's a speed sensitive power assist rack, some people have no idea about the system and just reiterate what they hear from someone that heard it. </TD></TR></TABLE>


I think the quicker steering would be helpful in a lot of situations but i guess its going to take some getting used to. The way i see it is this. If you're acustomed to working the steering wheel real hard when you're cornering, a quicker steering ration might be better but cutting it by almost half is going to take some getting used to. The S2k uses the EPS ( electric power steering) and if the steering was too light with a steering ratio that was that low lock to lock, the feel might offset some drivers with what they're used to or take away from the road "feel".

I've driven an EVO numerous times and if i remember correctly, the lock to lock steering figures were 2.25 turns, the car felt great but i wonder if an even quicker steering ratio would cause uncomfort? The Evo felt solid on the highway but the lightest bit of movement on the highway made it awful but the S2k is " VARIABLE" so i do assume that it variates in quickness ( slower for high speeds and higher for low speeds ).

Would this have any effect on traction cornering hard?
If i remember correctly, a Slip angle was the amount in degrees that the car's pitched in/out compared to the direction of desired travel. Im trying to imagine how it would ( if it would ) effect the cars' traction while turning hard because of the sudden change in steering direction on the tires.

Im sorry if im not doing very well at describing what im talking about but i guess it would be something like having a solid hand while turning the steering wheel becaues the steering is so quick. Its almost like turning the wheel too quickly while carving into a turn, since the wheels turned so quickly (under normal steering), it might break traction because of the momentum of the car trying to follow the 2 front tires.

I guess im just relating to the " taking out to power steering to get a better feel for steering the car" idea but the exact opposite of it

 

I agree with you Nvious R - it seems natural driving dynamics would play a key part in how well this performs, especially with a seasons/pro driver.

There are a few people from other boards who went over to Japan a few years ago, took a tour of Honda, and also were setup to do a wet autocross at the Twin Ring with a Type V. Their impressions are somewhere in the depths of S2ki, but when inquired, there wasn't much more than the neat-o factor and that it would take time to get used to in a track environment.

 

like every car out there, it takes getting used to driving at the limit.

 

damnit can you let someone else post for a bit

all I see is forum ownage from vapor

damnit ******* 10 post a day limit owns my ***

and it's captain 97% to you buster

or admiral I really have 9000 posts


Modified by eg1R at 7:22 AM 8/27/2004

 

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seems like you've been following my footsteps mr. 97%