InlinePRO s2000 Video Here-
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Re: InlinePRO s2000 Video Here- (S2000GOD)
I agree 100 %, but hey most of the people here arent seeing that way, you in fact did have use of a standalone (a.e.m) so i could understand.Now on the other hand inlinepros kit only has a super afc. sorry but its just my opinion, i dont believe it at all.and never mind the fact that the map sensor wont see anything over 12 psi, I give up. I guess everyone here dumps thicker headgaskets instead of building there bottom end think it will hold boost like a built motor and thats why some peoples cars dont last.
- vapor- by the way i am voicing my opinion, no one is putting anyone down or being a troll....the story is outrageous therefore i must say something.When people do buy this kit and inlinepro ends up building about 20 blocks a month for blown motors customers wont be to happy, however inlinepros pocket will be.
oh and spankees2k let me guess inlinepro did your kit?
13 psi with stock internals and a thicker headgasket, with a standalone i'll believe it ...with out , your story is just as outrageous as inlinepros turbo s2000.
- vapor- by the way i am voicing my opinion, no one is putting anyone down or being a troll....the story is outrageous therefore i must say something.When people do buy this kit and inlinepro ends up building about 20 blocks a month for blown motors customers wont be to happy, however inlinepros pocket will be.
oh and spankees2k let me guess inlinepro did your kit?
13 psi with stock internals and a thicker headgasket, with a standalone i'll believe it ...with out , your story is just as outrageous as inlinepros turbo s2000.
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From: Laguna
Re: InlinePRO s2000 Video Here- (01ITR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 01ITR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">- vapor- by the way i am voicing my opinion, no one is putting anyone down or being a troll....the story is outrageous therefore i must say something.When people do buy this kit and inlinepro ends up building about 20 blocks a month for blown motors customers wont be to happy, however inlinepros pocket will be.
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There are different ways of voicing your opinion, and as you have shown in the beginning, not beneficial and annoying but if you explain your opinion thoughly like you just did, you're not a troll.
*edit* It's not the 1st thing on my list whether this kit is legit, a fantasy, or unreliable. One thing is certain, for my purposes, any forced induction would introduce a lot of headaches I don't want to have at the track.
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There are different ways of voicing your opinion, and as you have shown in the beginning, not beneficial and annoying but if you explain your opinion thoughly like you just did, you're not a troll.
*edit* It's not the 1st thing on my list whether this kit is legit, a fantasy, or unreliable. One thing is certain, for my purposes, any forced induction would introduce a lot of headaches I don't want to have at the track.
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Re: InlinePRO s2000 Video Here- (01ITR)
Umm...lets see, I had 440cc injectors, BBK in-tank fuel pump, Vortech FPR and it was Dyno tuned with a regular S-AFC and actually I did my own kit. I did buy there manifold and had RevHard piping. I do in fact work on cars as a career(Acura Dealer Tech). Why do you find it so hard to believe, cause you cant do it? Sorry to say but its been done many times for a long whole now.
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Re: InlinePRO s2000 Video Here- (Spankee2K)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spankee2K »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Umm...lets see, I had 440cc injectors, BBK in-tank fuel pump, Vortech FPR and it was Dyno tuned with a regular S-AFC and actually I did my own kit. I did buy there manifold and had RevHard piping. I do in fact work on cars as a career(Acura Dealer Tech). Why do you find it so hard to believe, cause you cant do it? Sorry to say but its been done many times for a long whole now. </TD></TR></TABLE>
It's been done, may work, but is not the best way to do things. Sure you can lower a car by cutting it's springs, but is that the right thing to do when there are springs that are designed for lowering? Back in the day (I'm young but still know how things were done) springs were cut b/c there weren't aftermarket lowering springs with different rates. But today, there are standalone ecu systems, there are low compression pistons, why would anyone go to the trouble of installing a thicker headgasket when the head is off and not replace the pistons instead for a more reliable setup? Why would anyone run a piggy back fuel controller and run insane fuel pressures and have problems of tip in detonation at partial throttle? All of these things don't have to happen unless you short change yourself and build a kit that isn't 100%. Sure you can make something work, but it wont ever be the correct/proper way of doing things.
It's been done, may work, but is not the best way to do things. Sure you can lower a car by cutting it's springs, but is that the right thing to do when there are springs that are designed for lowering? Back in the day (I'm young but still know how things were done) springs were cut b/c there weren't aftermarket lowering springs with different rates. But today, there are standalone ecu systems, there are low compression pistons, why would anyone go to the trouble of installing a thicker headgasket when the head is off and not replace the pistons instead for a more reliable setup? Why would anyone run a piggy back fuel controller and run insane fuel pressures and have problems of tip in detonation at partial throttle? All of these things don't have to happen unless you short change yourself and build a kit that isn't 100%. Sure you can make something work, but it wont ever be the correct/proper way of doing things.
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Re: InlinePRO s2000 Video Here- (vapor)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vapor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
It's been done, may work, but is not the best way to do things. Sure you can lower a car by cutting it's springs, but is that the right thing to do when there are springs that are designed for lowering? Back in the day (I'm young but still know how things were done) springs were cut b/c there weren't aftermarket lowering springs with different rates. But today, there are standalone ecu systems, there are low compression pistons, why would anyone go to the trouble of installing a thicker headgasket when the head is off and not replace the pistons instead for a more reliable setup? Why would anyone run a piggy back fuel controller and run insane fuel pressures and have problems of tip in detonation at partial throttle? All of these things don't have to happen unless you short change yourself and build a kit that isn't 100%. Sure you can make something work, but it wont ever be the correct/proper way of doing things. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree 100% that stand alone is more reliable better. But back in the day(yes Im pretty old to this hobby and probably one of the first to have a turbo in this area) there wasn't stand alone that was reliable and anyone who knew how to tune them. Sure today its easy to get one and tune it but back when I was doing it this is what we knew worked and "IT WORKED", better than any other setup we knew about at the time. So there may be a right way and proper way, but back then this was the right and proper way.
It's been done, may work, but is not the best way to do things. Sure you can lower a car by cutting it's springs, but is that the right thing to do when there are springs that are designed for lowering? Back in the day (I'm young but still know how things were done) springs were cut b/c there weren't aftermarket lowering springs with different rates. But today, there are standalone ecu systems, there are low compression pistons, why would anyone go to the trouble of installing a thicker headgasket when the head is off and not replace the pistons instead for a more reliable setup? Why would anyone run a piggy back fuel controller and run insane fuel pressures and have problems of tip in detonation at partial throttle? All of these things don't have to happen unless you short change yourself and build a kit that isn't 100%. Sure you can make something work, but it wont ever be the correct/proper way of doing things. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree 100% that stand alone is more reliable better. But back in the day(yes Im pretty old to this hobby and probably one of the first to have a turbo in this area) there wasn't stand alone that was reliable and anyone who knew how to tune them. Sure today its easy to get one and tune it but back when I was doing it this is what we knew worked and "IT WORKED", better than any other setup we knew about at the time. So there may be a right way and proper way, but back then this was the right and proper way.
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From: Laguna
Re: InlinePRO s2000 Video Here- (Spankee2K)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spankee2K »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I agree 100% that stand alone is more reliable better. But back in the day(yes Im pretty old to this hobby and probably one of the first to have a turbo in this area) there wasn't stand alone that was reliable and anyone who knew how to tune them. Sure today its easy to get one and tune it but back when I was doing it this is what we knew worked and "IT WORKED", better than any other setup we knew about at the time. So there may be a right way and proper way, but back then this was the right and proper way.</TD></TR></TABLE>
we're not living in the past, and in the current times when these electronics are available, why do things like it was done in the past? You don't see track cars with cut springs anymore. If budget is tight, then I don't think such a big project should be taken. It's one thing to modify a car that is turbo'd from the factory but another to make a non-turbo'd factory car a turbo car. I hope I don't sound like a grouch but I'm just peculiar towards these things, FI and all. Blah....
I agree 100% that stand alone is more reliable better. But back in the day(yes Im pretty old to this hobby and probably one of the first to have a turbo in this area) there wasn't stand alone that was reliable and anyone who knew how to tune them. Sure today its easy to get one and tune it but back when I was doing it this is what we knew worked and "IT WORKED", better than any other setup we knew about at the time. So there may be a right way and proper way, but back then this was the right and proper way.</TD></TR></TABLE>
we're not living in the past, and in the current times when these electronics are available, why do things like it was done in the past? You don't see track cars with cut springs anymore. If budget is tight, then I don't think such a big project should be taken. It's one thing to modify a car that is turbo'd from the factory but another to make a non-turbo'd factory car a turbo car. I hope I don't sound like a grouch but I'm just peculiar towards these things, FI and all. Blah....
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Re: InlinePRO s2000 Video Here- (vapor)
I see your point but you also have to see what I was just trying to prove. As the term goes, "if the shoe fits, then where it". Doubting something just because you have never seen or experianced it is very close minded and raising the BS flag right away does cause dispute to the innovator and people who know it works.
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Re: InlinePRO s2000 Video Here- (Spankee2K)
blah blah,
Point is, 350 whp at 12 psi is not that impressive considering what the s2k motor is.
furthermore, they are not using proper engine management and retarding the ignition timing w/ boost, which is not a bright idea.
for cheaping out on the most important part of the setup
Point is, 350 whp at 12 psi is not that impressive considering what the s2k motor is.
furthermore, they are not using proper engine management and retarding the ignition timing w/ boost, which is not a bright idea.
for cheaping out on the most important part of the setup
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Re: InlinePRO s2000 Video Here- (Spankee2K)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spankee2K »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I see your point but you also have to see what I was just trying to prove. As the term goes, "if the shoe fits, then where it". Doubting something just because you have never seen or experianced it is very close minded and raising the BS flag right away does cause dispute to the innovator and people who know it works.</TD></TR></TABLE>
To make assumptions of inexperience and closed mindedness will fail b/c I did have a turbo honda and I'll never do it again even though it's cheaper than a NA project. Yes, you can run a thicker headgastket to lower compression, and yes it works but just b/c it works doesn't mean it should be done. It's best to do things right the first time and this method works, but again, isn't the right way.
To make assumptions of inexperience and closed mindedness will fail b/c I did have a turbo honda and I'll never do it again even though it's cheaper than a NA project. Yes, you can run a thicker headgastket to lower compression, and yes it works but just b/c it works doesn't mean it should be done. It's best to do things right the first time and this method works, but again, isn't the right way.
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Re: InlinePRO s2000 Video Here- (Mase)
SPANKEE- I'am not saying its impossible, but i do agree with mase its the cheaper way out and not reliable. Honeslty the map sensor on these cars wont see past 12 psi, and yes i ve seen cars with thicker head gaskets go up to 12 psi, but not past that.AND yes i ve experienced and seen it before and done it and by the way i was a tech at a honda dealer, and got tired of turning wrenches and became an advisor, so man i ve seen it all just the same way you have.
MASE- i agree with what your saying, and i honestly dont see why they would not go with a standalone, i ve seen s2000's dyno at 328 rwhp on 9 psi with an A.E.M ems and 3 inch exhaust pipping.Therefore i dont find 350 rwhp at 12 pounds impressive at all.
MASE- i agree with what your saying, and i honestly dont see why they would not go with a standalone, i ve seen s2000's dyno at 328 rwhp on 9 psi with an A.E.M ems and 3 inch exhaust pipping.Therefore i dont find 350 rwhp at 12 pounds impressive at all.
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Re: InlinePRO s2000 Video Here- (01ITR)
Well, I guess from the stand point of having a S-AFC and an FMU your MAP sensor wont do much but throw a CEL. This wouldnt mean much to the ECU seeing as the V-AFC and FMU doesnt rely on any of the factory sensors to do its job. I still hold my opinon that this is a poor way to tune a car effiencently, especially building a fuel map that will work.
The only way I can see they tuned this car was on the Dyno w/ a WB 02 sensor in the tail pipe. Unfortunately this is a poor way to tune a car for everyday driving. Your fuel map is tuned for WOT only, not under the other cicumstances of driving at 20% throttle with a 30% load. Also, lets not mention AIT's. AIT's can lean or richen your fuel in a heart beat by a matter of 10-15 degrees, the S-AFC cant accomodate for those changes...
My opinion is he scrap the FMU and S-AFC, and go with an EMS (with a base tune), and put a wideband 02 sensor on it... that would at least put the responsibility on the customer for any motor problems.
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The only way I can see they tuned this car was on the Dyno w/ a WB 02 sensor in the tail pipe. Unfortunately this is a poor way to tune a car for everyday driving. Your fuel map is tuned for WOT only, not under the other cicumstances of driving at 20% throttle with a 30% load. Also, lets not mention AIT's. AIT's can lean or richen your fuel in a heart beat by a matter of 10-15 degrees, the S-AFC cant accomodate for those changes...
My opinion is he scrap the FMU and S-AFC, and go with an EMS (with a base tune), and put a wideband 02 sensor on it... that would at least put the responsibility on the customer for any motor problems.
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Re: InlinePRO s2000 Video Here- (01ITR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 01ITR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">SPANKEE- I'am not saying its impossible
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 01ITR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> sorry but its just my opinion, i dont believe it at all. </TD></TR></TABLE>
make up your mind.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 01ITR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> sorry but its just my opinion, i dont believe it at all. </TD></TR></TABLE>
make up your mind.
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Re: InlinePRO s2000 Video Here- (Nihilation)
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Re: InlinePRO s2000 Video Here- (MordecaiPSI)
Not to jack the thread what ever happened with your lude? did you get it running? whats the stats on it?
B.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MordecaiPSI »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">*uck InlinePro
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=541227</TD></TR></TABLE>
B.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MordecaiPSI »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">*uck InlinePro
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=541227</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: InlinePRO s2000 Video Here- (Mase)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mase »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">blah blah,
Point is, 350 whp at 12 psi is not that impressive considering what the s2k motor is.
furthermore, they are not using proper engine management and retarding the ignition timing w/ boost, which is not a bright idea.
for cheaping out on the most important part of the setup
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Mase hit the nail on the head (do you tune cars or something
). Inline is notorious for the stock motor/Apex-i hack/boom goes the motor As for the three fitty 
to the wheels, I would expect more from the top Honda builder/tuner in Springfield Va
Point is, 350 whp at 12 psi is not that impressive considering what the s2k motor is.
furthermore, they are not using proper engine management and retarding the ignition timing w/ boost, which is not a bright idea.
for cheaping out on the most important part of the setup</TD></TR></TABLE>
Mase hit the nail on the head (do you tune cars or something
). Inline is notorious for the stock motor/Apex-i hack/boom goes the motor As for the three fitty to the wheels, I would expect more from the top Honda builder/tuner in Springfield Va
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Re: InlinePRO s2000 Video Here- (silversupragirl)
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Mase hit the nail on the head (do you tune cars or something). </TD></TR></TABLE>
im just a wanna be tuner
Mase hit the nail on the head (do you tune cars or something
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Re: InlinePRO s2000 Video Here- (Mase)
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im just a wanna be tuner </TD></TR></TABLE>
wanna be tuner hahah
i like your sig, wanna be tuner has many people wanting you to tune their car, and has his own tuning site? hahaha
im just a wanna be tuner
</TD></TR></TABLE>wanna be tuner hahah
i like your sig, wanna be tuner has many people wanting you to tune their car, and has his own tuning site? hahaha
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Re: InlinePRO s2000 Video Here- (vapor)
i must admit that thing really hauls ***, but i could never see myself boosting my S2k i love N/A applications. Im one of those guys that would never boost a Honda period. But damn that thing is sweet.
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Re: InlinePRO s2000 Video Here- (EgSick)
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wanna be tuner hahah
i like your sig, wanna be tuner has many people wanting you to tune their car, and has his own tuning site? hahaha
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what can i say, im a good at fooling people.
wanna be tuner hahah
i like your sig, wanna be tuner has many people wanting you to tune their car, and has his own tuning site? hahaha
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what can i say, im a good at fooling people.
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Re: InlinePRO s2000 Video Here- (AllMotorSweepR)
Who cares if the guy is eating, WTF is the matter with you people. He's not making a commercial some dude brought a camcorder for a random chat. Pull the sand out...
