EDIT: Nevermind...

Well, this is my first actual thread, and I come to you guys for help...

I was finishing up adjusting my valve lash today and the last adjusting nut wouldn't budge. So I tried harder and harder and finally heard a loud PING noise. Oh, good I broke the nut loose....

<U>Wrong</U>, I broke the f'ing rocker arm off

One of the little finger things broke when I was twisting the breaker bar and the rocker arm flew off...


Well, we put it back in and everything seemed OK, just without the finger. The valve adjustment was done and here's where I made another mistake...Started the car to see if/how it would run and it ran like it was missing <U>at least</U> one cylinder...

So, we took the VC off and the rocker arm had fallen off, but now it's spring was compressed without the arm....CRAP...I think I dropped the valve...

Here's the compressed spring--



So, my questions are these--

1. Do the ***** on the bottom of the rocker arms adjusting screw press into this bolt, or do they just sit in there? 'Cuz I didn't press it in...



2. Why would that spring stay compressed slightly?, do ya'll think that I did in fact drop or bend a valve??

3. Would the car run like complete *** without one exhaust valve opening??

4. Why do chicks like a-holes?

Well, thanks for reading and I'll be taking the head off soon to try and figure out the damage and I'll update then...


Modified by Hawkze_2.3 at 7:31 PM 7/29/2004

 

if the spring is stil compressed that measn u probably bent a vavle

and i dunno why chicks like ********, , sounds like u are looking for the wrong kind of chick

 

Sorry to hear, but what were you doing using a breaker bar to undo the valve nut.??

BTW the valve is compressed maybe bcause when you run the engine the rocker arm ??-caught the valve and bent the stem-??

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by OTT &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what were you doing using a breaker bar to undo the valve nut.??</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

So you broke the rocker, ok **** happens. I don't understand why you tried to run the motor after

 

yea um, what in the **** are you smoking man? Oh no worries, i just busted a vital engine component, lets duct tape it back on and try again.


Dont ****** touch it till you get a new rocker arm, DUH. in all probability, you killed the valve.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sorry to hear, but what were you doing using a breaker bar to undo the valve nut.??</TD></TR></TABLE>

-- How else would I get off a stuck nut without the air tools I don't have??(not being a smartass, but seriously...)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You're a bozo, why'd you run the engine?</TD></TR></TABLE>

-- Yep, ******* stupid to run the engine. In my head it seemed like it would run alright with just the finger broken off...Oh, well, major lesson learned and now I have an excuse to take off the head and do some other things I wanted to do...

"Without that rocker arm how would the valve go down" was what I was thinking.

I am pretty new at this...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yea um, what in the **** are you smoking man? Oh no worries, i just busted a vital engine component, lets duct tape it back on and try again.</TD></TR></TABLE>

-- You don't think duct tape will work on my engine internals? ...damn...

--And last, I have everything off except for the head, but the head bolts are EXTREMELY tight(duh)...How would you guys suggest getting them loose?? Do I need to go to a shop with some air tools?

Thanks again for your help

 

yeah the head bolts are tight as hell!! get yourself an extremely long breaker bar and a couple of guys to help you out!

 

Thanks, I'm gonna pick up some 1/2" tools and try it tommorrow...

Soon I'll have some pics of a bent valve

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eddiebx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and i dunno why chicks like ********, , sounds like u are looking for the wrong kind of chick</TD></TR></TABLE>

Does he mean literally or figuratively?

 

maybe you should have tried tapping on that bolt and put some penetrating oil or something, that bolt must have either been ridiculously tight or you turned it the wrong way, maybe you should find an impact to use somewhere

 

Yeah, it was tight. I had the rocker arm off and was pounding the nut with a wrench on it at an angle on the concrete, so the force of the hammer should be loosening the nut, but it didn't f'ing move....There's no way I could have loosened it in the engine...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtec_lude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah the head bolts are tight as hell!! get yourself an extremely long breaker bar and a couple of guys to help you out!</TD></TR></TABLE>

he wasnt trying to loosing up the head stud bolts so a breaker bar shouldnt be needed, unless im missing something.

but why was it torqued so much anyways? when i get my valves adjusted they are easy to loosen up...this is the tool i use http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog...talog by Snap-On...it loosens up the bolt just fine plus it makes the job alot easier

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by soopafly828 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">he wasnt trying to loosing up the head stud bolts so a breaker bar shouldnt be needed, unless im missing something.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have to take the head off now...

Thanks for that tool info, after this crap, I'll be getting one of those.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hawkze_2.3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

-- How else would I get off a stuck nut without the air tools I don't have??(not being a smartass, but seriously...)

You don't use air tools on precision parts of an engine like valve lock nuts, you use torque wrenches to tighten and the correct tool to loosen

-- Yep, ******* stupid to run the engine. In my head it seemed like it would run alright with just the finger broken off...Oh, well, major lesson learned and now I have an excuse to take off the head and do some other things I wanted to do...

"Without that rocker arm how would the valve go down" was what I was thinking.

I am pretty new at this...

-- You don't think duct tape will work on my engine internals? ...damn...

--And last, I have everything off except for the head, but the head bolts are EXTREMELY tight(duh)...How would you guys suggest getting them loose?? Do I need to go to a shop with some air tools?

Breaker bars are good for high torque nuts/bolts, although you should definitly not use them for valve locknuts.

Thanks again for your help </TD></TR></TABLE>

This is the tool I use for vavle lash...

 

You can use a small wrench with it to tur the handles directly opposite each other letting you loosen locknuts easily without putting any strain on the valve stem.

 

also make sure you use a 6 point socket on your head bolts rather than 12, your more likely to strip them with a 12

 

OTT, I don't quite get that tool...

Speedra, thanks, man, but I was able to get the bolts out with some 1/2" tools and a 12 pt socket VERY easily, whereas the 3/8" tools would just bend....

So I take the head off and the valve is of course sticking out about an inch into the chamber. I give a little tap with a rubber mallet and it pops right back into place...Turns out it got bent to the side only a few mm.

This pic is a little bit of an angle, but the valve stem is only to the side by a tiny bit.



I don't think there is any head damage, but I learned a lesson in the tight-*** clearances of a Honda. That and not banging on delicate **** with breaker bar..