HaleLude

I'm interested in going turbo in the next few years (as soon as the warranty expires on my 98) So far I have $3000 in the bank (was gonna blow it on some 18:" Volk Gt-Ns) and wanted to know how much more it would take for everything.
I already know
-Turbo kit ~$4k (Custom kit is not out of the question tho)
Need to know
~Engine build (pistons, rods,sleeves labor)
~Hondata& tuning costs (prolly a 4b right?)
~misc. stuff (injectors,fuel needs, whatever else I need)

bgod

reliability and what stage you want are two totally different things.

you can have reliability boosting 5psi on the stock ecu for a while. or you can have decent reliability boosting 10psi on a standalone for a while.

if you're talking int he area of 10psi or a little above for any extended period of time.

you're talking about a $10,000 investment. that's a bit on the conservative side too. this is assuming you want all the good stuff.

my old custom h22a kit on my accord ran me a little over $4000. this was using a revhard manifold, tial wg, tial bov, paxton pump/regulator, majestic turbo, spearco, etc., etc.

Boostless97Lude

hondata no longer makes a 4b

i just spent over $10,000 to build a reliable turbo Prelude, and i did it ALL, click the link in my sig to see what all i've got... there are a lot more pictures i have to add this weekend

HaleLude

I want to push like 10-15 PSI daily. Should I go with an AEM e-manage or something else or does Hondata have a fully programmable replacement for the 4b?

JG Luder

Reliable, H22a, and turbo don't go in the same sentence. Period. Thanks for playing.

Boostless97Lude

**** AEM!!!!!

go with a Hondata, the new system is called the s200, but unless you plan on altering a lot of stuff, then being able to tune it yourself is overkill. your best bet is get the new s100 w/ boost option and have a dealer install and tune it.

the AEM is not a plug and play system, you will have to **** with it for hours before the car will even start.

Anubyss

You are going to need some serious cash for a daily 10-15psi Prelude. I see you are in NJ, where are you going to have your car tuned? For choosing a standalone (which you will need for 10-15psi), you should see who can tune the car. If you are going to tune it yourself, then you can choose a decent one out there including AEM, Hondata, Haltech, DFI etc. You are going to sleeve, pistons, rods, bigger injectors, gauges, clutch system (stock will wear out quickly), ignition system (good idea to get), boost controller, wastegate (tial 35mm), blow off valve, 3" exhuast, 3" cat, etc. I am probably leaving out some things but don't forget to factor in the tuning/install costs for the final figure. Good luck, as this road is a hard one but oh the benefits when it's done.

EH2DX

what he said....
you know what they say; "reliable, fast, cheap - pick two".

HaleLude

The place I'm looking to do this is SKR Performance. They did a turbo IS300 that was on the cover of Turbo November 2002. I guess I should be talking to those guys about this but I'm at school in Philly and haven'y had a chance to head over there and talk to them.

C-Murdock

thats funny, I plugged mine in Saturday, loaded up a base map off the Internet and it started right up, all I have to do is fine tune which is 20 times easier with the new software and the autotune feature with the Wideband o2....Hond what ?

xtal

I added up my plan the other day, and came out to around $14-16,000cdn for almost everything, without labour costs. That includes all the gear I need to tune it myself, and my own custom electronics piggybacked on the stock ECU for now.

Phase 1 is trying to do 5-6psi reliably on the stock block until it goes (with money for a new engine or build ready to go).

Kinda rough, when a direct port nitrous kit with a progressive control will give you good results for 1/10th that price.

In car wideband and knock detection are not optional items on the H22A imho. If it's possible to do, I'll be finding out.

Steve

KCHybrid

I cant decided if I want the AEM or hondata at this point...i sold my 2b since I wanted a 4b (which is now s200) but I am now having thoughts of the AEM. Time will tell i supose, but man auottunning sounds so nice.

I have spent thus far a little shy of 9k on my setup for the accord, of course a bit of that cost is on the buying of the h22a its self.

chidoks

You can have a reliable turbo h22... its going to cost you a lot especially if you plan to push 15psi on the street.... 15psi on an h22 with a pretty decent size turbo maybe a t3/t4 60-1 should be about 450-500whp... You are looking at close to $20,000 for the build up... You will need to get your block resleeved, you will need good rods...probably pauter or crower rods to handle that kind of power... You will also need forged pistons and rings preferably JE to handle the power too... If you plan on running 15psi on pump gas with no form of alcohol injection, you would need a compression ratio of 9.0:1 or less... The h22 is a high torque engine.... at 15psi, you are probably going to be putting down more than 450lb-ft of torque, you are going to need custom axles...i dont even think dss stage 5's will handle all that power, i might be wrong though... You are going to need to build up your tranny, h22 synchros have problems at higher rpms especially when you are making that kind of power... You are going to be needing an LSD preferably quaiffe to put all that power to the ground, You are also going to need traction bars to help you with your traction problems... You are going to need a decent clutch like action clutch pro-turbo or clutchmasters twin disc.... Injectors would be 720CC's or more unless you go with an 8 injector set up... You need an inline fuel pump...aeromotive 1000hp pump...upgraded valvesprings, arp rod bolts and head studs, an insane suspension set up, it would be wise to go with a big turbo because at 15psi on a small turbo, you are not getting any traction off the line 'cos the power is almost instant especially on a 2.2liter motor, upgraded fuel lines, really upgraded brakes would be good too, 3 inch downpipe, 3inch exhaust, a maxrev or sfp manifold, tial 46mm wastegate, a good bov(blitz, turbo xs), apexi avc-r boost controller... for ecu options, look into AEM, Zdyne, Apexi Power FC, Hondata... I am building a similar set up using an h22 in my 94 teg ls, i already have the brakes, suspension and handling taken care of...and i am currently working on wiring my car to work right with the h22....mine is more of a long term goal... Labor is going to cost you a lot, i am not worried about that 'cos i am doing all of my work myself...I am located about 15 mins from philly, i dont know if u go to the races but i am usually the red integra with the white konig rated r's and aem rotors... If you are really interested in building this and have the money to do it, its more than possible, but its going to cost u...

Flh22chic

I know of a few H22 turbos, and i don't know of any that are reliable!

matt0199

ive had a turbo h22 with 254hp to the wheels at 6, yes 6psi for 3 months with 0 problems

all it takes is self control

rjr162

97 Prelude, running an F-Max at 9psi on stock internals, upgraded fuel pump, TurboXS boost controller, Unortho Pullies, custom REVHARD exhaust (always put rollhard for some stupid reason lol) B&M Oil cooler.... that's really the majority done, and it's a daily driven car, have not run into a problem yet and it's been boosted for close to 20,000 miles.. track driven during the summer of course...

matt0199

running at 9psi?? no fuel management, just "upgraded fuel pump"?

rjr162

the "managment" is currently handled by the cheap-*** MF2 that comes with the F-Max. We're going to redo this soon with a Hondata.. but for the time it works just fine... after all the car is running in the 13's, and in the 12's when the NX intercooler fogger is kicked on



[Modified by rjr162, 1:15 AM 12/10/2002]

chidoks

yup...its very possible.... Reliable h22 setups can be built even on stock internals... Its all about the tuning...

PrecisionH23a

No kidding! You know what is really crazy? i heard of this one guy that was going to drive his reliable t66'd h22a from san fran to miami in like 5 days

lildrgn2.0

yep.. but no where in there did we say it would be a reliable turbo h22a.. haha..

matt0199

raise your hand if you KNOW what youre talking about

PrecisionH23a

HEHEHE, im just messing with you and todd. i know you guys will build things right the first time