ok, many ppl say that preludes are too heavy so its a lot harder to make it fast. i mean yea it is heavy but it shouldn't matteer shoudl it? just requires more WHP to do that and doesn't the prelude push out more hp then a B series LS for example? well what im trying to say is, my cousin has an LS T and he goes yea my car is lighter therefor he can make it fast with more ease then i can with my lude. well i dont konw but in the JRSC site, it shows that the prelude pushes out my WHP than anyother motor is it cuz of the motor size? thats why? and if it is that way, then if i have the same turbo setup as my cousins LS woudl the same lets say 8 lbs, would that mean i am pushign out more whp? and be as quick as him? or around the same as him in the 1/4? is it a waste of time to fix up my lude? im looking to push out around 400 whp and have moeny to do so and already have my setup going but just curious about this. any answer would be appreciated thanks.

 

yes the lude is too heavy. 2950 lbs is 300 lbs too heavy, and the DC2 weighs about 2650

thing is, yeah an H-series puts out more HP than a B-series so it evens out, but the real measure of how fast a car can be is a function of it's hp-weight ratio. 400hp/2950 lbs = 1hp : 6 lbs of car. for the LS it'd have to make 360 hp to have the same ratio. but that's not considering other factors like traction, gearing, etc.

it's hard to say, trying to make a lude fast is def a labor of love because there are easier platforms out there. like EK hatches...

 

performance cars that weigh as much as the lude usually have turbochargers, or have bigger engines

 

If you want to be fast in a prelude either expect to spend tons on a built motor and turbo or nitrous. Either that or you'll have to really, really gut the thing. getting down to 2700 is easy, but after 2600 you are looking at buying lighter seats, cf body parts, etc.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nick M &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">performance cars that weigh as much as the lude usually have turbochargers, or have bigger engines

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corvette Z06:

3050 lbs, 405 hp, 400 ft lbs

i've never liked vettes but those are some damn supercar numbers right there.

 

our Prelude's are fat pigs!!!

 

I guess I need to use a new scale, because my non-gutted prelude (93 VTEC) weighs close to 2800 lbs everytime I have checked.....Dam_ didn't know they were so heavy....still luv em though

 

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4th gens tend to be lighter than 5th gens, which was referenced too earlier...especially the SH

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bad-monkey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes the lude is too heavy. 2950 lbs is 300 lbs too heavy, and the DC2 weighs about 2650
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Wow, my lude only weighs 100lbs more then a DC2

 

i want to lose weight but w/out gutting out my interior cuz i dont wnat just a fast car, i want a car that is fast while its nice you know. how cna i lose weight w/out taking out the interior? CF hood i have, thinking of the CF trunk. anything else? light weight battery...what else. isn't the type r in the 2600 lbs while the LS and the rest is above like 2750? THANKS A LOT for the help by the way.

 

oh yea, i have seats in mind as well but later on. well is the prelude gear ratios good for a turbo? too short? too long? or is it better to go with a h23 tranny? i actually thought about going with plexy glass but not sure how it looks? what about the Fiber glass doors? anyone know how those work as in looks?my friend had em on his hatch running 11's but didn't care so he left it red while the car was white. hmm....damn preludes!

 

the ITR weighs in @ 2630, the GSR @ 2670.

of course weights for ludes will vary from car to car, but i don't doubt my 5th gen weighs in at 2950 or more with a full tank...

so far as putting a 5th gen on a diet the most common methods are: CF hood, gutted interior, remove tire/jack/tools, lightweight wheels and tires, remove sunroof replace with CF insert, remove ATTS and switch back to base, remove AC, Lexan windows. if u were to do all of these things i don't see a reason why you couldn't show up at 2700 lbs or less...but it's a lot of stuff to take out and a lot of money.

 

for example if im running 15.4 at 3000 lbs with me in it and i go down to 2700 lbs, would i run like a 15.0? or how woudl it work? i heard every 100lbs is just on tenth of a sec.

 

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No, thats not necessarily true. Sounds alittle off.

Going from 3000lbs to 2900lbs is not as big of difference percentagewise as it is from going 2400lbs to 2300lbs, see my point? Its still 100lbs but a much larger percentage of the overall vehicle weight.

But going from 15.4 to 15.0 with 300 less pounds sounds pretty close, maybe high 14s

 

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hey jz, did you notice i put "for example" and you keep saying things to **** me off but it isn't going to work. just grow up bro. anyways, yea i get it nick, thanks.

 

bottom line, ludes are boats compared to integs and civics. oh well, there are much more PLAYA than anything else . i still would not sacrifice comfort for some weight reduction.

 

just got for looks

 

This is wierd, On my european H23a2 4gen carpapers it says 2400 lb 1200kg. I cleared out the trunk but left interior untouched. I also have no 4 wheel steers system or airco,i've been told that the 4 wheel steer system weighs like 150 lb on this board so i'm glad that that is not on the car.

Bought the car for dragracing and because i like the way it lookes I outrun an integra type r everytime on the illegal races here in Rotterdam (europe).My car is also alot faster then a H22 vtec 4 gen from two friends of mine. They weigh 1310kg, 2610lb dry weight.

Check out the film on http://www.streetraceclubrotterdam.nl/

go to movies and scroll down and you'll see integra type r vs prelude 2.3

Greetsss

 

Power to weight ratio 4th gen Prelude = (190hp / 2930lbs) * 100 = 6.48
GSR Integra = 170 / 2670 * 100 = 6.36

The Prelude has better power/weight ratio compared to a GSR Teg.
Type R Teg, well that is a different story, its sole purpose is performance whereas the Prelude also has comfort and convience.

I haven't even mentioned the greater torque in the Prelude. You can actually feel the VTEC engage rather than just hearing it.

 

You've missed a couple of things. I have a 4th gen "prelude SI" not a vtec. When you download the videoclip you'll see me blowing away an "Integra Type R"(1998)

I always win by 3 to 4 car lengths. We've raced numerous of times and i always win. Even highway battles.

 

Its heavier, but suspension is a hair better. also, we are forgetting looks. ludes are 100x sexier then tegs

If you are going fully built turbo, weight means nada. just make sure you have more power

 

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the suspension can be changed easier than the weight of a car. as far as basic design, they're both double wishbone F-R suspension cars.

even if you had 1000 hp and weighed 4000 lbs, it wouldn't handle nearly as well as 600 hp and 2400 lbs. the reason why preludes have a serious weight issue is because we can't easily run tires with enough contact patch to compensate for the weight. corvettes weigh 3000 lbs, but can also run 300+ width tires, whereas the most we can run is a 225.

looks are fine and all, i enjoy the way my car looks, but if we're talking about performance, to which weight directly relates, it doesn't matter how a car "looks." case in point: the CRX. roadracer's chassis of choice. why? light. fast. not the prettiest (though i find them pretty) but who cares?

 

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hey jz, did you notice i put "for example" and you keep saying things to **** me off but it isn't going to work. just grow up bro. anyways, yea i get it nick, thanks.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually I specifically remember posts where you said you ran 15.0, and others when you said it was 15.7.

 

down at LACR i ran a 15.6 but at their website it says to multiply by a certain number .9767 or something like that and you get the exact time because elevation is 5000+ over there. which when you calculate it, its a 15.1 or so and my friend ran his car at LACR, ran a 16.3 in his SI then at fontana ran a 15.7. so if i go with his change its a 15 flat. unlike some people satan, i dont bull ****, when i say something i have something to back it up with. goodluck next time to both of you.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SweepeR 7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">down at LACR i ran a 15.6 but at their website it says to multiply by a certain number .9767 or something like that and you get the exact time because elevation is 5000+ over there. which when you calculate it, its a 15.1 or so and my friend ran his car at LACR, ran a 16.3 in his SI then at fontana ran a 15.7. so if i go with his change its a 15 flat. unlike some people satan, i dont bull ****, when i say something i have something to back it up with. goodluck next time to both of you.</TD></TR></TABLE>


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