bb1vince

Sup guys, just wanted to say I drive a 96 vtec(new prelude driver) and have some plans for more hp. My car is at 127k miles atm. All I have in it for now is a jdm type s intake everything else stock. I was just thinking about going all motor. I really want to go boost because I love the sound and power due to my 89 supra (tempo car).

But at the moment I decide with current motor I want to go NA and later go with boost with a jdm h22. Do you guys think my motor is fine to go NA? or should I rebuild it first, whats more cost efficient? I do want to spend as low as possible with about numbers of 200whp. Or can I go without the rebuild and just buy internals and such and slap it on and give it a good tune?

Thanks in advice. I'm also going to post this on prelude power for more advices.

NirVTEC

What I would do is install a JDM H22A with some bolt ons and build your H22A1 on the side for boost. There is really no GOOD way to build an N/A setup and later boost it.
JDM H22As are very reliable assuming you buy from a reputable company. I have beat the living **** out of both of mine with no issues. 8500rpms Dyno/Drag pulls with 45min RoadRacing sessions hanging in VTEC for a majority of the time.
Look into Skunk2 Cams and a very nice Race header such as SMSP HyTech or SSR-DTR and you can always sell it to further fund your turbo build.

bigblockh22

If you want to go n/a go with The Brian Crower stage 2 Camshafts, vualve springs and retainers, a nice RMF header, SKunk 2 Intake Manifold, and you will be at 200whp or even more with a good tune!

NirVTEC

Advise from a Pro right there......Use inferior cams and you will for sure be 200whp!
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0Mike95lude

I would do NirVTEC's idea, or if your current engine is still healthy at 127k miles, just get some Skunk2 Pro1 Cams with Skunk2 Valve-Train, a decent header with 2.5" collector, 2.5" or larger exhaust, and an OBDI Civic/Integra VTEC ECU with ROM editing software like eCtune, Hondata, Neptune, etc. Get it dyno tuned and you will have a nice 200+whp setup. That way, the only time you're doing an engine swap is when you have that turbo setup finished.

NirVTEC

I just don't have an overwhelming amount of confidence in adding ~40-50whp and spinning the crap out of a 14yo 127k mile motor. Revving to ~7500rpm with S1/P1 cams isn't going to be extremely exciting......You have to have to confidence to rev to 8000+ on your stock tach to make any sense of a head package.
I'd probably start with a compression and/or leak down test to see the current health of your H22A1.
Don't get hung up on that 200whp number.......Dynos are for tuning, NOT bragging.
Trust me though, install cams and a race header, have it respectably tuned and you will LOVE IT!!!
This is my STOCK H22A[JUN cams and Vibrant header tuned on S300] vs a i/h/e H22A1
Don't mind the RPM readings, there were some issues with how it read that day.....its since been fixed! 2nd one is the freshly tuned and RPM fixed. 3rd is my infamous JUN vs Skunk2 Stage 1 comparo. Obviously on a fairly HIGH reading dyno. #2 makes about 15whp more all things considered.

Bangher4$

please dont get hondata. lol

I agree! that will be a great start. s2s2 are nice. Ive seen some depressing results with Crower s2 cams.

speaking og which, NirVtec... I know you have the h23v in a bag. do you have any ideas with my threads? this is killing me in a bad way.

AznBlueBoy

Why?

NirVTEC

H23V in a bag? I don't get it.......

I assume another one of these anti-corporate things.......Because Hondata spent 10,000hrs on R&D they don't deserve the same copyrights as other companies.....

uti's duplicate

Im fairly new into the industry i got my prelude about 6 months back and all i have done is home made exhaust tip with just resenators from wal-mart megan header, e3 spark plugs, AEM air intake, and oil breather. Bust anyway... the s300 if you have the money is the way to go if you no what your doing with it. get matching intake to header(same brand) but really i bigger throttle body wont do much tell you get the cam that everyone is telling you to get im gonna be getting stage one Skunk2 but that is you descion. The stage too is a more wild street cam and you must tune it asap after install or problems will occur. and if possible ajustable timing gears

NirVTEC

I would use eCtune if I did it over......My tuner loves it, and its cheap!!

Bangher4$

10,000 hr gives them the right?

If I hack GMs new ecus, and spend 10,000hrs perfecting a editor... that then gives me intellectual rights to what I stole to begin with?
and if someone hacked what I spent time making I in turn have the right to sue them?
yea, thats not exactly what happen, but close enough. thrid party was involved, but still.

man i dont even want to get all worked up about the subject, hondata was a dick about the situation and should have acted more professional like. I can understand their points but there actions? Boycott!

NirVTEC

So boycott it........As long as you're not on the Crome/Uberdata bus thinking they are even 1/10 the system.

Bangher4$

no! Hondata has really good editors, im not gonna say they dont.
and yea, you cant compare Crome to hondata. but in some ways you can.
many times you only need the basic, which Crome will cover.

But your in depth builds need somthing more.

eCtune is rockin right now, same with Neptune.

NirVTEC

4 sure

bb1vince

coo coo thanks guys. damn though...you really me getting a jdm h22a and NA that and boost my h22a1? well I really love boost. But going NA seems just more legit to me. So maybe if NA goes well and I love it. I'll stick with it and not decide to boost because I'm going to be spending a lot of moneyy by going both builds. But my heart right now is pretty much set with NA. can I get a list of more options to get?

How are Bisimoto cam gearss and camshafts?

also whats a good reputable palce to buy a h22a?

h22 kid

man i love how NirVTEC thinks... all your power comes from your head.... port and polish that sucker stage 3 skunk pro series cams with the gears and complete valvetrain.. good tuner and your effing set!!!! also rock some dope hytech headers and skunk2 IM and voula!

precord96

Excuse me for not keeping up to date on the board, but that last dyno graph of the Jun vs S2P1... which one is the Jun?

I've had Jun cams, valvetrain, etc forever now and was wondering if they got beat by the S2P1's

Peeonu25

the jun cams made the better power.

A Blue Lude

There are no dynos of S2P1 in this thread.

Peeonu25

I dont get it... "3rd is my infamous JUN vs Skunk2 Stage 1 comparo."

look up a few posts you will see 3 dyno sheets.

A Blue Lude

S2S1

Peeonu25

If going from NA to turbo is still on the OP's mind, i wouldnt buy 2 engines...

this post has been about head builds, so buy another block.

build the head on the h22a1 that you have;
SK2P1 cams (great for NA builds and a lot of turbo builds)
SK2 springs and retainers
if you want bigger valves then buy them too

reason i say to do this, youll save yourself a lot of money

buy an obd1 h22a1 block (why are people saying h22a? he will spend more money only to replace what he spent the money on;
sleeves
pistons
rods

Peeonu25

he quoted and posted the dynos for a post that was refering to the S2P1's.

NirVTEC

Worst advice yet.........You don't P&P an H22 head unless you're in a serious build[2.3-2.4L] the h22 head flows great.....Skunk2 Stage3??? With ~10.6:1cr??? You must be crazy.........


3rd sheet is S2S1[RED] VS JUN[Blue]-------You decide!



I had a Turbo Motor built and ready to go[CP 9:1+Crower+Darton] and decided N/A was better suited for me......Not to mention Im a nitrous ***** and will be using a 3 stage on my built N/A motor!