N/A forum sucks: Prelude : h22a1 rebuild ?'s
11-14-2005, 04:09 PM
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N/A forum sucks: Prelude : h22a1 rebuild ?'s
Hey my compression is shot in 1 cylinder (140) the rest are 200.. on my h22a1 with 133k miles... I think i am going to rebuild the bottom end as well as the top.
I purchased a JG engine dynamics head used (10k miles) and just brought it to the machine shop were it got cleaned up (hot tanked, all valves resurfaced) My mods will include:
<U>HEAD IS OFF PICS BELOW!</U>
PROGRESS:
JG head
Crower springs
Crower retainers
Crower valves
Crower/Skunk 2 stage 2 cams (Which should i go with)
Adj cam gears (which should I go with
Apexi Short ram intake
Megan racing header w/ 2.25 collector mod
2.25 exhaust (crush bent
)
2.25 test pipe
2.36 rsr axleback exhaust (exmag)
NGK blue wires
Uberdata p28 will be the tuning on a dyno
Removed Intake Manifold butterflies (not sure if i should do it)
Hondata intake manifold gasket
OEM headgasket, timing belt,waterpump, balance belt
C+R Radiator
JUN flywheel
Exedy Clutch
Driveshaft shop axles
NO AC
What to buy?
type s or stock OEM pistons + rings?
do i need new rods?
What else would u reccomend? This car needs to be daily drivable for the most part..
BOLD = in process of getting
Modified by DarkBB4 at 12:54 PM 11/19/2005
Modified by DarkBB4 at 8:47 AM 11/23/2005
I purchased a JG engine dynamics head used (10k miles) and just brought it to the machine shop were it got cleaned up (hot tanked, all valves resurfaced) My mods will include:
<U>HEAD IS OFF PICS BELOW!</U>
PROGRESS:
JG head
Crower springs
Crower retainers
Crower valves
Crower/Skunk 2 stage 2 cams (Which should i go with)
Adj cam gears (which should I go with
Apexi Short ram intake
Megan racing header w/ 2.25 collector mod
2.25 exhaust (crush bent
)2.25 test pipe
2.36 rsr axleback exhaust (exmag)
NGK blue wires
Uberdata p28 will be the tuning on a dyno
Removed Intake Manifold butterflies (not sure if i should do it)
Hondata intake manifold gasket
OEM headgasket, timing belt,waterpump, balance belt
C+R Radiator
JUN flywheel
Exedy Clutch
Driveshaft shop axles
NO AC
What to buy?
type s or stock OEM pistons + rings?
do i need new rods?
What else would u reccomend? This car needs to be daily drivable for the most part..
BOLD = in process of getting
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Modified by DarkBB4 at 8:47 AM 11/23/2005
11-14-2005, 04:21 PM
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Re: N/A forum sucks: Prelude : h22a1 rebuild ?'s (DarkBB4)
Good luck on the build. Get a balance shaft seal retainer $3 while your in there. Whats done to the JG head, p&p?
11-14-2005, 04:23 PM
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Re: N/A forum sucks: Prelude : h22a1 rebuild ?'s (SteveoBA8)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SteveoBA8 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Good luck on the build. Get a balance shaft seal retainer $3 while your in there. Whats done to the JG head, p&p?</TD></TR></TABLE>
whats that?
yes pnp.. i can take pics actually bb in a min
whats that?
yes pnp.. i can take pics actually bb in a min
11-14-2005, 04:31 PM
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Re: N/A forum sucks: Prelude : h22a1 rebuild ?'s (DarkBB4)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DarkBB4 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Removed Intake Manifold butterflies (not sure if i should do it)</TD></TR></TABLE>
i would leave them, since this will be a daily driven car, you will want some low end power as well. there is a thread on here that has some charts/graphs that prove the low end will benefit from having functional butterflies.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DarkBB4 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Adj cam gears (which should I go with)[/B]</TD></TR></TABLE>
ones with 6 bolts or more. i don't actually know if they make gears with more than 6 bolts. my friend had his 4 bolt cam gears tuned and they had changes about 2 degrees after about 6 months. and they were torqued to spec!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DarkBB4 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">[B]Uberdata p28 will be the tuning on a dyno</TD></TR></TABLE>
why not go with an obd1 gsr p72? it will operate with the butterflies, whereas a p28 will not. but thats if you do decide to keep the butterflies.
i would leave them, since this will be a daily driven car, you will want some low end power as well. there is a thread on here that has some charts/graphs that prove the low end will benefit from having functional butterflies.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DarkBB4 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Adj cam gears (which should I go with)[/B]</TD></TR></TABLE>
ones with 6 bolts or more. i don't actually know if they make gears with more than 6 bolts. my friend had his 4 bolt cam gears tuned and they had changes about 2 degrees after about 6 months. and they were torqued to spec!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DarkBB4 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">[B]Uberdata p28 will be the tuning on a dyno</TD></TR></TABLE>
why not go with an obd1 gsr p72? it will operate with the butterflies, whereas a p28 will not. but thats if you do decide to keep the butterflies.
11-14-2005, 04:39 PM
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Re: N/A forum sucks: Prelude : h22a1 rebuild ?'s (BB6racer)
There is a tsb for the balance shaft seal moving foward and leaking. Mine bolted into the oil pump housing and cam with a free oil dipstick o-ring.
11-14-2005, 04:45 PM
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Re: N/A forum sucks: Prelude : h22a1 rebuild ?'s (BB6racer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BB6racer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why not go with an obd1 gsr p72? it will operate with the butterflies, whereas a p28 will not. but thats if you do decide to keep the butterflies.</TD></TR></TABLE>
P28s can be made to do the IAB thing...
P28s can be made to do the IAB thing...
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11-14-2005, 05:28 PM
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Re: N/A forum sucks: Prelude : h22a1 rebuild ?'s (DarkBB4)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DarkBB4 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">..cams (Which should i go with)
Megan racing header w/ 2.25 collector mod
2.25 exhaust (crush bent )
2.25 test pipe
2.36 rsr axleback exhaust (exmag)
[B]Uberdata p28 will be the tuning on a dyno
Removed Intake Manifold butterflies (not sure if i should do it)
Driveshaft shop axles
type s or stock OEM pistons + rings?
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Get a better exhaust. On my old H22 I got 5ftlbs of midrange torque switching from my POS 2.25" crush-bent EX to open header. I would go with 2.5" IMO.
Keep the butterflies, I would go with Crower 2's without the stock idle lobes. There is almost no lope at idle and is nothing to worry about.
Feather fire is right. P28's can be made to operate IABs. I know because I am running mine like that.
Type S pistons over the original ones any day. Your H22A1 rods will have to be honed out and rebushed to accept the Type-S floating pin or get some H22A4 used rods from FleaBay.
The DDS axles are really unnecessary unless you have some really messed up ones now.
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Megan racing header w/ 2.25 collector mod
2.25 exhaust (crush bent
)2.25 test pipe
2.36 rsr axleback exhaust (exmag)
[B]Uberdata p28 will be the tuning on a dyno
Removed Intake Manifold butterflies (not sure if i should do it)
Driveshaft shop axles
type s or stock OEM pistons + rings?
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Get a better exhaust. On my old H22 I got 5ftlbs of midrange torque switching from my POS 2.25" crush-bent EX to open header. I would go with 2.5" IMO.
Keep the butterflies, I would go with Crower 2's without the stock idle lobes. There is almost no lope at idle and is nothing to worry about.
Feather fire is right. P28's can be made to operate IABs. I know because I am running mine like that.
Type S pistons over the original ones any day. Your H22A1 rods will have to be honed out and rebushed to accept the Type-S floating pin or get some H22A4 used rods from FleaBay.
The DDS axles are really unnecessary unless you have some really messed up ones now.
Pirate
11-14-2005, 05:33 PM
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Re: (InvaderTrax)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by InvaderTrax »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Crower stage 2, Skunk2 or AEM gears, keep the butterflies, and Type S pistons+rings</TD></TR></TABLE>
AEM cam gears.
If they dont break, the'll slip.
AEM cam gears.
If they dont break, the'll slip.
11-14-2005, 06:01 PM
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what bout these cam gears (cp4you)
H22A Adjustable Cam Gears
CNC Machined
5 Spoke Design for Non-Slip
Easy to Read Timing Marks
Available in Blue, Red, & Titanium
[Titanium] $60 / Pair Shipped Anywere in the US
[Red / Blue] $65 / Pair Shipped Anywhere in the US
look good to e!
Modified by DarkBB4 at 12:52 PM 11/19/2005
H22A Adjustable Cam Gears
CNC Machined
5 Spoke Design for Non-Slip
Easy to Read Timing Marks
Available in Blue, Red, & Titanium
[Titanium] $60 / Pair Shipped Anywere in the US
[Red / Blue] $65 / Pair Shipped Anywhere in the US
look good to e!
Modified by DarkBB4 at 12:52 PM 11/19/2005
11-14-2005, 06:18 PM
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i would just make sure they are of good manufacture before you buy....
get type s pistons, and see if you can get a euro r intake manifold on there....
cp4you put up his dynapack dyno today of his R&d dyno ported head, skunk stg2 cams, euro r im and 64mm tb, with type s pistons and a hytech header, 233whp and 175wtq....thats awesome, especially for a dynapack....
but i have yet to see any evidence as to which is better....any usable evidence that is....
get type s pistons, and see if you can get a euro r intake manifold on there....
cp4you put up his dynapack dyno today of his R&d dyno ported head, skunk stg2 cams, euro r im and 64mm tb, with type s pistons and a hytech header, 233whp and 175wtq....thats awesome, especially for a dynapack....
but i have yet to see any evidence as to which is better....any usable evidence that is....
11-14-2005, 06:35 PM
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Re: (Soy_mgags)
well i dont think i can afford the euro r manifold... i still have to decide if i can afford cams and/or pistons.. ive already dropped 700 including oem parts for the rebuild...i wish cams were cheap
here are some pics
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here are some pics
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11-14-2005, 09:06 PM
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Yeah, those cam gears look nice, Im thinking about buying a pair. I wish someone had reviews on them.
Id go with the Skunk 2 Stage 2 cams if I were you, I had a set, and loved 'em.
Go with Autozone Axles, theyll replace them for free if you break 'em.
Look into a Stage 3 or so Clutch. You'll never go back.
But yeah, everything else looks like some good choices. Good luck with the build.
Id go with the Skunk 2 Stage 2 cams if I were you, I had a set, and loved 'em.
Go with Autozone Axles, theyll replace them for free if you break 'em.
Look into a Stage 3 or so Clutch. You'll never go back.
But yeah, everything else looks like some good choices. Good luck with the build.
11-16-2005, 02:27 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DarkBB4 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oem parts received! thjanks gabe!
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is that all the gaskets you got?
while your in there replace all gaskets.
get type s pistons
i just ordered all the stuff i need for my build from inlinefour.com and hondaautomotiveparts.com OEM or course
everything came to about 1100 shipped
that includes
Top end gaskets
Bottom end gaskets
tb gasket (it didnt come with top end gaskets?)
small honda oil filter ( little more oil psi)
timing belt
blancer belt
type s pistons
rings
main bearings
rod bearings
a vtec oil pressure switch (the motor came with it broken)
10 new head bolts
a new uper water hose
a new thermostat
8 new flywheel bolts
and a valve cover stud
plastiguage from auto zone
nextweek im out of school for 5 days i wonder what i am going to be doing
</TD></TR></TABLE>is that all the gaskets you got?
while your in there replace all gaskets.
get type s pistons
i just ordered all the stuff i need for my build from inlinefour.com and hondaautomotiveparts.com OEM or course
everything came to about 1100 shipped
that includes
Top end gaskets
Bottom end gaskets
tb gasket (it didnt come with top end gaskets?)
small honda oil filter ( little more oil psi)
timing belt
blancer belt
type s pistons
rings
main bearings
rod bearings
a vtec oil pressure switch (the motor came with it broken)
10 new head bolts
a new uper water hose
a new thermostat
8 new flywheel bolts
and a valve cover stud
plastiguage from auto zone
nextweek im out of school for 5 days
i wonder what i am going to be doing
11-16-2005, 05:12 PM
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Re: (DarkBB4)
Just a question bout the charcoal canister
it has 4 lines coming off of it
1 to the map
1 to teh TB
1 below( its red/pink hose)
1 to a hardline (cant really trace it)
I capped the map,tb, and hardline one.. ist htat right?
or is the hardline one the one from teh gastank?
it has 4 lines coming off of it
1 to the map
1 to teh TB
1 below( its red/pink hose)
1 to a hardline (cant really trace it)
I capped the map,tb, and hardline one.. ist htat right?
or is the hardline one the one from teh gastank?
