well i put my lude back on the dyno to check and make sure everything is still up to par. i have still yet to install hondata, so my fuel curve looks like a friggin roller coaster. well my power went up a little just from age.
the dyno does have a built in weather station

i wasnt sure that my last post on my prospeed header did it enough justice over the jun header so i took some rpm reference points and showed the differences in power from the 2 headers. remeber the prospeed header still needs a lot of tuning. also my scanner is broken so no charts but the numbers should speak for them selfs.

rpm: jun prospeed

6000 164 152
6500 179 187
7000 195 211
7500 211 225
8000 200 222

the air fuel with the prospeed header is 11.8:1 at 6000 rpm it is a smooth climb to 13.6:1 at 7500rpm and then comes down to 13.3:1 at 8000rpm.

again to prospeed.

 

Can you add your list of mods again? and what version header you got (ss, merge etc...)

Thanks.

 

merge. standard, not stainless. do a search for the mods list. i think i posted it in my last psot on the header.

 

for the lazy
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one last time my set up is:
JUN rods
JUN pistons 87.25 mm
JUN cams and valvetrain
JUN UL flywheel
JUN cam gears 0,0
prospeed header
2.5 in mandrel exhaust with JUN ti. muffler
JUN ecu
euro r im with no egr
aem cai
mild P&P by JUN
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can't wait til you get it tuned

 

To Steve Brown and Jason Whitfield of Rage Performance for bringin an affordable header option to the market...

 

for the price of all that jun **** you coulda went turbo and hondata

nice numbers for not being tuned

 

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definatly. if youre going the N/A route you would have to be crazy not to buy this header.

 

Does this header fit 5th Gen Prelude?

 

Yes it doesnt fit a 5th gen, i got one.

 

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Does it need modifications to fit a 5th Gen Base??

As for your JUN setup, are they Stage 2 or Stage 3 cams? Is valvetrain upgrade required for these cams even if I dont rev over stock limit? Where is a good source to purchase JUN products?

 

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Does it need modifications to fit a 5th Gen Base??</TD></TR></TABLE>

Steve has Jigs for the 5th gen with AC and PS... So, yes... it will fit...

Just make sure Brian tells Steve its for a 5th gen when he orders the header...

 

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definatly. if youre going the N/A route you would have to be crazy not to buy this header.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ahhh... But put that header up against a Hytech or SMSP header...

 

Does the header bolt on to stock cat? or like SMSP replaces the cat and needs cutsom exhaust to fit?

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Steve has Jigs for the 5th gen with AC and PS... So, yes... it will fit...

Just make sure Brian tells Steve its for a 5th gen when he orders the header...</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

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Custom work on the end of the header/cat or test pipe side of the exhaust...

I have the AN-R version of these headers sitting on my floor in the spare room...

This one comes with an unflanged 2.5 outlet, Im pretty sure the prospeed version is the same way...


Modified by Rick Solis at 5:53 PM 8/22/2004

 

Heres some pics of a header that Steve/Rage built for a deck plate H22...





More info here...

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=960936

 

looks like something outta of the new predator movie how does that thing make power?

 

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Ahhh... But put that header up against a Hytech or SMSP header...</TD></TR></TABLE>

send them too me. i will put it on our dyno and i will bet that they will not exceed the performance of the prospeed unit.

 

what's the rest of the dyno plot look like? Did you lose power under 6500?

 

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send them too me. i will put it on our dyno and i will bet that they will not exceed the performance of the prospeed unit.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Your loyal to the "prospeed" header... Testing would be bias...

Im going to put something together for a little later this year... A completely non bias 3rd party test that will be done on 3 seperate vehicles powered by H22 motors...

Ill get in touch with you for use of your header if you want to participate...

 

Do you think prospeed would make a H23 header ? Same design, just different bolts. I know a few people that would be interested (including myself)

 

To make sure the test is truly 'fair' you should swap all three headers onto the same h22, in the same day.

Using three different motors each wearing a different header would just be a waste of time.

 

What type of dyno was it?

 

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Ahhh... But put that header up against a Hytech or SMSP header...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Or an AN-R. I'm making pretty close to 200whp w/ i/h/e and a chipped ecu.

 

Rick, im missing the whole point of your statement as to telling people where the header came from.

Also, you have a biased opinion against the prospeed header, so testing would be off according to your earlier statement.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98TypeSH &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Rick, im missing the whole point of your statement as to telling people where the header came from</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have nothing against prosped... I like Steves work and Rage as a whole, therefore I have nothing bad to say about the headers prospeed sells... Its a good product... I just think credit should be given where credit is due... Steve makes great headers so to Steve... Prospeed is a good dealer to Prospeed...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98TypeSH &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also, you have a biased opinion against the prospeed header, so testing would be off according to your earlier statement.</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rick Solis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Im going to put something together for a little later this year... A completely non bias 3rd party test that will be done on 3 seperate vehicles powered by H22 motors... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Basicly meaning... Niether me or anyone associated with any of the header brands/offerings will be involved in the testing...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tomakit &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">To make sure the test is truly 'fair' you should swap all three headers onto the same h22, in the same day.

Using three different motors each wearing a different header would just be a waste of time.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Itll go something like this...

Vehicle 1:

Header X = XXX.XX
Header Y = XXX.XX
Header Z = XXX.XX

Vehicle 2:

Header X = XXX.XX
Header Y = XXX.XX
Header Z = XXX.XX

Vehicle 3:

Header X = XXX.XX
Header Y = XXX.XX
Header Z = XXX.XX

I am working on a few things that need to be finished up before I get to anything fun (ie, header testing/comparison) so Im shooting for later this year...



Modified by Rick Solis at 2:36 AM 8/24/2004