Chairman Kaga

BURN!!!
HAHAHAHA!!!

I'd like an Insight. Most of my driving is boring highway miles. All I need is a cupholder and a CD player.

ImprtTuner88

mmmuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh hhhhhhaaaaaaa

I am still laughing my *** off at that one...........

I think an Insight would be cool, too bad I could build 4 daily drivers like Tom's for the price of one Insight!

vtecvoodoo

So Tom`s car was 5k? haha

vtecvoodoo

Bon Jovi-Slippery When Wet

Nate B

****** a

ITRbroham

Only today, Ryan?

Somehow I'm thinking you changed your story because it was really a gay dude that pulled up to you and told you he liked the "Insight"

vtecvoodoo

..and you look pretty sexy in the "baby blue" s2k

Shawn C

iTrader: (1)

youre beating it to death, ryan. we know youre a pimp, ok? we know........

FredoSP

did u hit?

eg_nezay

haha....
it has a cooo cluster Ryan

jeffyjeff

dude, this thread is quite funny. if i were Ryan, I would like to see that chick again and ask her if she likes to trade.

90Rexx

Has everyone seen all the Mugen accessories and stuff that they have come out with for the insight? that would make this car sick! lol... :-\

92TypeR

Zeus Autoworks also modified a 2010 Insight:


I still think the Mugen looks better:


I have been seriously contemplating the Mugen aero package (minus the wing).

FijiBlueFG2

What's that make? About 103whp?



Shave 1000lbs or so off of it, and maybe you'd have something.

92TypeR

Probably less. I'd guess somewhere in the 90whp range.

92TypeR

Mugen is claiming an extra 3-5mpg on the highway due to their wind-tunnel testing.

FijiBlueFG2

I bet it could easily make over 60mpg if it wasn't so damn heavy

92TypeR

I truck-stop scaled my car (I know - not the most accurate), and with 1/3 tank of gas it was 2640 without me.

Now in today's standard, that is a light car. Plus, it has the highest IIHS rating you can get. So a ~2700lb sedan that fairly comfortable for all four passengers AND gets 5 out of 5 starts for crash test rating, that is a commendable accomplishment.

For comparison, an equivalent weight Civic Sedan (1996-2000 Sedan) got a 2.5 out of 5 IIHS rating and had an EPA rating of 31mpg combined.

With some better aero it should be capable of ~50mpg combined without going on a diet. Not bad.

FijiBlueFG2

It still doesn't get over the fact that it is a 2700lb vehicle with only 90hp. You get 5 average size individuals in there, and we're easily looking at over 3600lbs. Then if you were to put any luggage in the trunk...yikes.


If they somehow were able to build it lighter, we'd only see an increase in fuel mileage as well as make insignificant the power issue.

92TypeR

It does feel a bit gutless when I have the seats full of people, but I didn't get the car for stomach-tickling acceleration. Even my Wife's '04 Civic EX Sedan feels completely anemic when there are four passengers.

It does have enough go in it to merge successfully on the freeway without having to go full throttle, even when loaded with people.

If I wanted to give joyrides for the purpose of blissful acceleration I would drive the Supra or GT-R to work, but then I would have to deal with the 80 miles of highway for the commute, and would most certainly end up with a few speeding tickets.

FijiBlueFG2

Oh I can understand that, I just feel that in the eyes of the American public, hybrids are still too expensive, too heavy, and too slow.

If they can somehow overcome these drawbacks, they may become more popular.

92TypeR

For the most part this is true. Which is why the middle ground (re: Accord, Camry, Fusion, Altima...etc) are all high sellers. These all get relatively good fuel economy, with effortless driving characteristics.

However, Honda has attempted to at least break down the myth of expense with the new Insight. Its starting point is less than fully equipped Civics, which most consider the popular economy compact.

I am waiting to see how the new Honda CR-Z performs. I think it will break down both the dollar, weight and speed myths presented by current hybrid vehicles. If it performs like it looks, we could have a winner...

90Rexx

the CR-Z wont outshine the insight in my opinion....

CR-Z is a very small 2 door which will probobly only see a slight performance increase vs. the insight. the problem is most people in the market for a "hybrid" dont look for characteristics like performance....they look for things like cargo room, crash test ratings, and how many the vehicle can comfortably seat. Also the insight has the hybrid "look" which alot of hybrid consumers like because it flaunts the fact that they are "green". The Insight outshines the CR-Z in every aspect except the possibility of performance and asthetically pleasing sporty looks. not to say the insight isnt a great looking car as it stands though...

my opinion is the CR-Z will flop if offered as a hybrid.... there just simply cannot be enough of a market for "performance hybrids" to justify a vehicle like this.

FijiBlueFG2

I disagree. I feel the average consumer looks for safety and power. Power, not so much in terms of sports-car-like-performance, but rather, "power" as a measure of safety. A slow car is a dangerous car, in an urban environment. Even in my old em2, I absolutely hated when the person in front of me would come to a complete stop when merging onto the highway, because I knew it would take me a good 9-10 seconds to get up to highway speeds.

Power doesn't just refer to over-the-top performance.

Allegedly, the CR-Z has about 140hp, which is a significant increase over the Insight; nearly a 50% increase in power. I'm curious as to the ability of developing a dohc vtec engine hybrid motor system. With that, we could easily see a 1.8L 170hp+ hybrid vehicle. However, I do suppose that the fuel economy would suffer.

90Rexx

well if honda can manage to muster up 140 horsepower for such a small vehicle it may appeal to a younger market although to that market the word "hybrid" is a taboo..... but i still feel it wont do well since its not a practical family car...