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Old 03-15-2017, 09:49 AM   #26
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Also true. Honda wasn't the first company to use variable timing/lift in production vehicles (I think Mitsubishi was?), but Honda was definitely the first company to do it well and with a great amount of success.
What you're thinking for Mitsubishi Chanc eEG was the MIVEC system. That was much later after VTEC was perfected.

Dejoe filed & registered the first patent in the 1920s (for automotive applications) At the U.S. Patent & Trademark Office
https://www.google.com/patents/US1527456

In 1958 Porsche was the 1st automotive company to attempt to mass produce a type of VVT system
Fiat was the 1st to successful integrate it on a mass production scale using a hydraulic solenoid like Honda used in 1989-2001 - (US Patent 3,641,988 )
Alfa Romeo was the 1st company to use VVT in a fuel injected system (1980 Alfa Romeo Spider - US Patent 4,231,330 )
Honda in 1989 was the most successful in its use since it was the only company to use a 2-stage cam lobe system -
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Any ideas as to what that is on the driver side, near the fog light?




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. In this era of turbo-powered 3,200-3,500 lb sport compacts, this CTR stands out as 'light' and very track-capable.
I was thinking this too when someone was bringing up the weight. I haven't seen a subie or focus beat its time on the nurburgring, only the VW was able to beat it.

Drag races..........no longer really interest me although it does take skill to launch properly but the track is where the action is at.
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What you're thinking for Mitsubishi Chanc eEG was the MIVEC system. That was much later after VTEC was perfected.

Dejoe filed & registered the first patent in the 1920s (for automotive applications) At the U.S. Patent & Trademark Office
https://www.google.com/patents/US1527456

In 1958 Porsche was the 1st automotive company to attempt to mass produce a type of VVT system
Fiat was the 1st to successful integrate it on a mass production scale using a hydraulic solenoid like Honda used in 1989-2001 - (US Patent 3,641,988 )
Alfa Romeo was the 1st company to use VVT in a fuel injected system (1980 Alfa Romeo Spider - US Patent 4,231,330 )
Honda in 1989 was the most successful in its use since it was the only company to use a 2-stage cam lobe system -
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Front page of HT they have the prototype si, not images this time.

AND I LOVE THE EXHAUST TIP.
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If this handles as well as the FK2 2015 Euro CTR I've driven then you will be blown away by this car. The engine in my opinion is less impressive than the handling, but considering the handling that's not a negative comment.
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If this handles as well as the FK2 2015 Euro CTR I've driven then you will be blown away by this car. The engine in my opinion is less impressive than the handling, but considering the handling that's not a negative comment.
My impression is the very same. I felt the handling and the braking abilities of the '15 CTR were AMAZING... and the acceleration was merely above average. It was a bit of a tease... the torque poured on early, which gave the impression that things were about to get really good... and then it began to really fall off, almost feeling winded and labored. The new car should have more power. If not, hopefully companies like Hondata and K-Tuner can get a handle on it quick and the power can be bumped up to respectable levels.
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US gets -10hp.............not surprised but I'm sure a tune can fix that.
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I'd venture a guess of radar for cruise control
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While watching Barrett Jackson I had a thought. In 45 years, will the price add a 0 or loose 2 0's?
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That is for the lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control.
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I just want to know when they're going to start taking orders!
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Apologies if already poated:
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I just want to know when they're going to start taking orders!
Most dealers have already taken deposits for their initial 2017 allocations, even though the dealers don't when when they get the cars or what color they are getting. Cali sucks too, 5k-15k over sticker at most places.

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Most dealers have already taken deposits for their initial 2017 allocations, even though the dealers don't when when they get the cars or what color they are getting. Cali sucks too, 5k-15k over sticker at most places.

Lots more useful info at Civic Type R Forum (10th Gen) | 2016+ Honda Civic Forum (10th Gen) - Type R Forum, Si Forum - CivicX.com
And this is precisely why this car will never sell in the U.S. . You will always see these cars sold and driven by every day people who can afford it in Europe, Australia, and Japan, but not here. That is strictly due to these dealer markups. So, by allowing these dealer mark-ups to continue, the manufacturer tends to shoot themselves in the foot. There is no wonder that the Type R hasn't seen these shores in over 16 years. I doubt after this run it will ever happen again, if this franchise behaviour is allowed to continue.

Road & Track talks about this phenomenon regarding the Focus RS.

The New High-Performance Fords Could Fail the Same Way the Pontiac GTO Did
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I'm already seeing it with the Focus RS. That car was so hyped up that you would think they'd be flying off the showroom floors. To date I've only seen 2 driving around. CTR will definitely be in the same position. Add to the fact the new CTR fails to capture the essence of the Type R heritage. Honda will continue to lose money on every Type R sold.
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I'm already seeing it with the Focus RS. That car was so hyped up that you would think they'd be flying off the showroom floors. To date I've only seen 2 driving around. CTR will definitely be in the same position. Add to the fact the new CTR fails to capture the essence of the Type R heritage. Honda will continue to lose money on every Type R sold.
Twenty-four (YES) RS' on this one dealers lot!! lol

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And I would be damn tempted to pick one up if it weren't a California Emissions 50-state car.
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I guess thats why its not selling there, how is it elsewhere?
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2800lbs? Am I getting that number right?
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I guess thats why its not selling there, how is it elsewhere?
If you're referring to the Focus RS, we've seen a good amount of them here in MI and in a fewer number in IL. It really depended upon the dealership that they got them from. For example, some required a deposit before test driving, while others allowed the salesperson to make the call as to whether or not you could test drive. Markups were minimal, but definitely present in some dealerships. (about $3K-$5K, average). The ones I've seen the most from had no mark-up, and dealer traded but not special ordered.

Most here are Black and Grey, with a peppering of the White. Only a handful of the lighter Blue are being purchased due to additional charge for that specific paint color.

In essence, some dealerships got the message to not get greedy, while others didn't.

As for the Type R, nothing yet in this region.

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I think we're getting close. I got a call from our dealer today that mine will be here by the "end of the month". Still nothing concrete on color though. Waiting on the sales guy to find out more info and call me back.
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Most dealers have already taken deposits for their initial 2017 allocations, even though the dealers don't when when they get the cars or what color they are getting. Cali sucks too, 5k-15k over sticker at most places.

Lots more useful info at Civic Type R Forum (10th Gen) | 2016+ Honda Civic Forum (10th Gen) - Type R Forum, Si Forum - CivicX.com
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Yeah. I still can't decide between the Type R and the SI. I love the Type R. But my track days are pretty much over...
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Below was taken from another forum, Honda employee looked it up in the iN system. CTR's in transit to the following states. If you live in the below states, start calling!

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Arkansas: 2 Total Units
ETA Range: 7/2-7/5
100% Aegean Blue
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Hawaii: 6 Total Units
ETA Range: 6/12-6/24
33% Championship White
33% Crystal Black Pearl
16.6% Rally Red
16.6% Aegean Blue

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Illinois: 37 Total Units
ETA Range: 5/29-6/21
16.22% Championship White
32.43% Crystal Black Pearl
21.62% Aegean Blue
13.51% Rally Red
16.22% Polished Metal Metallic

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Iowa: 8 Total Units
ETA Range: 6/17-7/4
12.5% Championship White
12.5% Aegean Blue
25% Polished Metal Metallic
25% Rally Red
25% Crystal Black Pearl

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Kansas: 4 Total Units
ETA Range: 6/15-6/20
25% Rally Red
75% Crystal Black Pearl

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Kentucky: 1 Total Unit
ETA: ~5/30 approx.
100% Aegean Blue Pearl

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Indiana: 3 Total Units
ETA Range: 5/28-6/08
33.3% Crystal Black Pearl
66.6% Aegean Blue

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Michigan: 3 Total Units
ETA Range: 6/14-7/01
66.6% Rally Red
33.3% Polished Metal Metallic

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Minnesota: 13 Total Units
ETA Range: 6/17-6/25
15.4% Championship White
46.2% Crystal Black Pearl
23.1% Aegean Blue
7.7% Polished Metal Metallic
7.7% Rally Red

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Missouri: 11 Total Units
ETA Range: 6/15-6/20
9.1% Aegean Blue
9.1% Crystal Black Pearl
36.4% Rally Red
18.2% Polished Metal Metallic
27.3% Championship White

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Wisconsin: 19 Total Units
ETA Range: 5/29-6/30
15.8% Championship White
26.3% Crystal Black Pearl
15.8% Polished Metal Metallic
26.3% Aegean Blue
15.8% Rally Red
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Connecticut: 10 Total Units
ETA Range: 5/31-6/10
- 20% Blue
- 30% Black
- 20% White
- 20% Red
- 10% Grey
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Idaho: 5 Total Units
ETA Range: 7/2-7/14
- 40% Red
- 20% Black
- 20% White
- 20% Grey
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Massachusetts: 29 Total Units
ETA Range: 5/31-6/10
- 27.6% Black
- 20.7% Red
- 20.7% White
- 17.24% Blue
- 13.8% Grey
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Maine: 6 Total Units
ETA Range: 6/1-6/13
- 33.3% Blue
- 33.3% Grey
- 16.7% Black
- 16.7% Red
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Montana: 7 Total Units
ETA Range: 7/7-7/19
- 14.3% Red
- 14.3% White
- 14.3% Blue
- 28.6% Black
- 28.6% Grey
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New Hampshire: 9 Total Units
ETA Range: 6/1-6/17
- 33.3% Black
- 33.3% Grey
- 11.1% Blue
- 22.2% Red
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Ohio: 40 Total Units
ETA Range: 5/30-6/14
- 32.5% Black
- 17.5% Blue
- 20% Grey
- 12.5% White
- 17.5% Red
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North Dakota: 6 Total Units
ETA Range: 6/24-7/27
- 33.3% White
- 16.6% Blue
- 16.6% Red
- 16.6% Grey
- 16.6% Black
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New York: 26 Total Units
ETA Range: 5/28-6/9
- 23.1% Blue
- 26.9% Black
- 15.4% Grey
- 19.2% Red
- 15.4% White
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Oregon: 16 Total Units
ETA Range: 6/9-7/14
- 31.3% Black
- 25% Blue
- 12.5% Grey
- 18.75% White
- 12.5% Red
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Rhode Island: 4 Total Units
ETA Range: 5/31-6/10
- 25% Red
- 25% Black
- 50% Blue
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South Dakota: 2 Total Units
ETA Range: 6/29-8/5
- 50% Blue
- 50% Black
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Vermont: 4 Total Units
ETA Range: 6/4-6/21
- 50% Black
- 25% White
- 25% Blue
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Washington: 27 Total Units
ETA Range: 6/9-7/15
- 7.4% White
- 22.2% Blue
- 18.5% Red
- 44.4% Black
- 7.4% Grey
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West Virginia: 2 Total Units
ETA Range: 6/8-6/10
- 100% Black
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Wyoming: 5 Total Units
ETA Range: 7/12-8/08
- 20% Red
- 20% Black
- 20% White
- 20% Blue
- 20% Grey

TOTAL UNIT COUNT THUS FAR.... 307
29 out of 50 States
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