flowmaniacscrew

which way do i twist the crankshaft? counter clockwise or clockwise when im doing TDC for PISTON!!!.
book says "counterclockwise..because it may harm the adjustment to timing belt w/e.
dad says "clockwise..didnt ask y! though."..



1.)clockwise or counterclockwise... Answer = RIGHT WAY IS COUNTERCLOCKWISE!.

2.)Dont you have to make the piston move to the top by turning crank? so engine wont f-up! ANSWER: not yet answered!

Hanmin

so it's going into vtec then out? double check your timing? oil level good?

flowmaniacscrew

both of the cam gears are in the same position. maybe like 1-3 mm off.
oil is over the 2nd hole a little.

the_big_dl86

Check your oil pressure and recheck your timing. If that fails i woul look into your ECU next.

flowmaniacscrew

oil pressure? do you mean check engine oil?
or do u mean check the oil that is sending to the engine?
timing? well i just recently change my timing belt.
and they are aligned...just like 1-4 mm off.
that shouldnt make a different.

joelmatt89

read this it should answer any questions and get you on the right track, don't bother posting anything else before you read this. It should answer all your questions the only tip I have is on my car i couldn't hear or feel it at all and then i replaced the fuel filter and whalla. Here it is https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-prelude-4/official-%22why-vtec-doesnt-engage%22-thread-830163/

Murk 'EM

your dad says clockwise cause he doesnt work on hondas.. hondas run "backwards" they turn counter clockwise

Former User

Turn the crank only counterclockwise.

flowmaniacscrew

what if u turned clockwise, what happens? with no belts on...
its to late..1st time we time the car he turned it clockwise..
now im re-doing timing it cuz vtec was kicking and it felt weird!!!

flowmaniacscrew

what if u turned clockwise, what will happen? with no belts on...
yeah mess up the timing but the belt isnt on though!
but its to late..1st time we time the car he turned it clockwise..
now im re-doing timing it cuz vtec was kicking and it felt weird!!!

Murk 'EM

well its not suposed to turn clockwise.. use your imagnation .. just kidding as long as nothing touched anything else youll be ok.. the only reason they say dont turn a motor the opposite way it turns is cause of timing, your not suposed to cause its not made to turn that way but it will mess with your timing belt..
dont listen to people who dont work or havnt worked on hondas.. their weired/diffrent cars .. i had to school my teacher on hondas cause he thought he knew everything about everything..

flowmaniacscrew

so my dad didnt mess up anything?
he did it when the belt was off though..
so the 1st time wont affect the 2nd time.

QUESTION: should i counterclockwise the crank like 1-3 times around then do the TDC piston thing?

Murk 'EM

dont know what you mean by "TDC piston thing" it all depends on ware the cams were positioned at when the crank was turned.. he could have bent some valves if he turned it more then 360*
and i dont know what you mean by the 1st time wont affect the 2nd time.. you gotta be a little more clear when your asking questions

waaBAAH

the reason they say to turn crank ONLY counterclockwise is because of the "belt tensioner". let me clarify because it sounds liek your getting confused.

there is slack in the belt between certain pulleys. you have a total of 5 pulleys. if you turn the belt clockwise (wrong direction) you create slack between crank pulley and exhaust cam.

if you turn the crank counterclockwise (correcet direction) you create slack between crank and water pump/tensioner area. the tensioner will pick up the created slack alonging your motor to be timed correctly.

the first crank ( wrong direction) turn allows enough slack in the belt to let your crank pulley spin a degree or two before the actual cam even starts spinning.

i hope this makes sense for you.

as long as you end up doing 2 or more counterclockwise directions and recheck if timing marks line up you will be 100 percent ok.

if the belt was "completly off" and you turned the crank one full rotation any direction (counter clockwise or clockwise) you risk allowing the piston to touch the open valves. i honestly dont know the force required to bend valves this way but i imagine the force required to bent the valves with yoru rachet would be very high in power

flowmaniacscrew

will this is my 2nd time timing it...yesterday was the 1st time. get it?
he twisted the crank clockwise..i dont know how much degree but he did it to make the piston to come up....
right now im just worried that something inside the motor is f-up!.
but i just put the cams at 12 o'clock..and trying to line the crank with the cam gears..but the belt is a hassle right now. im not so sure if im doing everything right...but i did turn it a little clockwise and counterclockwise....

waaBAAH

if the head was off while he turned the crank (any direction) your 100 percetn ok with not worrying about bent valves.

reread the sticky to be 100 percent sure on how to line up the cams and crank together

flowmaniacscrew

thanks i kind of get it now...
but i dont turn the crank with the belt on water pump and w/e....
i tooked it off...
so should i turn the crank with the belt on?.

here was what i was gonna do:
line up the cam gears to 12 o'clock the way its suppose to.
line up the crank pulley with the arrow with the mark on the pulley.
before i put pulley on..i put timing belt on.
then the plastic then pulley.
i have turned the crank clockwise and counterclockwise though..

---what should i do?----

flowmaniacscrew

are u telling me to put the belt on before i counterclockwise the crank?

sticky? dont know what that is.(sorry i have no experience about cars. i just know how fast they are and what they look like)

head?...

waaBAAH

fixt.

kind of weird to read it like that.. so dont forget that meatl washer. if you dont have it installed between the belt and the plastic cover the belt will rub aginst the crank causing wear and or sound.

instead of cam at 12 o clock position... try this. at 3 oclock and 9oclock there are two notch marks on the cam. line those up with the valve cover along with the up arrow poiting up. honda motors are not level staright up and down so that is why there are these two marks on the cam

waaBAAH

no...

flowmaniacscrew

yeah i know about those marks. i got right there.

QUESTION: do i put on the belt on while turning the crank counterclockwise?
or can i do it without the belt?

btw the reason y i turn the crank is because my dad told me to do it so the piston will be up near the top of the engine so when i start the car the piston dont hit the valve or something.

waaBAAH

reread this

https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-del-sol-1992-2000-1/%5Bfaq%5D-complete-diy-how-timing-belt-water-pump-change-d16z6-lots-pics-649277/ this will work for a genral timing belt install and not the dual cam. no big deal

a sticky is an informative post always found at the top of any sub catergory.. this forum has 5 stickys on very top

waaBAAH

QUESTION: do i put on the belt on while turning the crank counterclockwise?


ANSWER: yes..but only to recehck your timing marks

Q: or can i do it without the belt?
A:yes ...if cam or head is removed no... if cam or head is not removed

flowmaniacscrew

wow they make it seem easy.
they missed out one thing..the thing im having a big trouble with..

Turning the Crank Pulley CounterClockwise...

flowmaniacscrew

oh okay thanks a lot.
my cams are still on...head? if u mean valve cover..its off!

will i already timed everything...

NOW

i'll put on the belt and turn it counterclockwise a couple of time...
THANKS!