lilmoney145

i was wonderng if i would have to change everything internal in my engine to run a turbo on my b16a. one peron told me to just change my pistons and rods and maybe a new crank, but then another guy tols me to change everything, rods,pistons,valves,cams,springs, everything internal. just wondering which is the best and safest way to go. thanks.

ciRcuitJerk

you can run a turbo on stock internals its just not reccomended ..it will be much safer if you change certain things...first i think would be to lower compression because b16 compression is kinda high to run a turbo ...not too sure about other things but first thing would be compression ...someone correct me if im wrong

txhatch

Just get proper tuning and dont crank the boost too much. Also proper maintenance. You should be fine just learn as much as possible, start with the fi forum. Goodluck

Sohc-Vtec

if u keep the boost below 12 your internals will be fine. but as far as cranks go, honda cranks are awesome. your will not need to change your crank unless this is going to be a top fuel race car. honda cranks dont need help, if anything the internals u need are valvetrain and sleeving

lilmoney145

i am thinking of running a drag generation 3 turbo kit (Garrett T04/T3 Turbo) on my b16a. what should i change? i am thinking pistons and rods. do not what else i need to change some could i get some help on what i should do. thanks.

Sohc-Vtec

with a turbo as big as a t3/t4, u might need new valves, springs, and retainers and pistons. some kind of intercooler (front mount or other). new fuel pump and regulator. keep the boost down until u can get everything running peachy

lilmoney145

what about with a greddy turbo kit with an intercooler? what would i need to replace on my b16a?

txhatch

With the drag kit you can run stock internals and be fine. But if you wanted to you could upgrade the pistons and rods. I think the drag kit comes with an fmu, not sure though. The only thing you may want to get is a better fuel pump, hondata, and maybe upgrade the wastegate. It will be fine without those but they're useful especially the hondata. Also the drag kit comes with an intercooler and you definately want one. With the greddy kit you wont need to upgrade, but you wont see as good power gains as with the t3/to4.


[Modified by txhatch, 9:26 PM 11/28/2002]

txhatch

Also all your questions would be much better answered in the forced induction forum.

maxim

The si crank would most likely be the best for boost. With your engine, you have the best r/s ratio making it a very reliable engine to boost. You may not make as much power with the B16, but you will be boosting reliably. The only things I would suggest, which are the things I plan on building on my B16a is to get:

eagle rods
endyn pistons(close to stock compression) larger bore
G/E sleeving
AEM EMS(only because the Hondata will not do OBDII along with many more features)
450cc DSM injectors
Walbro 255 lph hp intank pump

This should be good for 15-17psi, which is more than enough for me right now.



[Modified by maxim, 9:35 PM 11/28/2002]

lilmoney145

ok i need a little help on exactly what is g/e sleeving, i am a rookie at this typr of stuff. and the aem ems, do i really need it? or would gauges work just fine? and the r/s ratio? the rods,pistons,injectors sound good. what type of furl pump, new one? thanks.

txhatch

The aem is used to tune, gauges are to monitor whats going on.

maxim

Sorry, you don't need the AEM EMS. That is just something used for tuning like Hondata. The only reason I want that is for higher boost and the fact that I want to stay OBDII for state emissions inspection. Its an expensive option you may or may not want to think about.

G/E is Golden Eagle sleeving and is something you should definetly consider.

A few other answers to your questions:

rods: I would go with Eagle forged rods, but I wouldn't change the rod length. The shorter rod length on the B16 is great and reliable for boost. No need for a block girdle with the B16 either.

pistons: Endyn is what I am getting. You can go with Import Builders or JE, I don't know too much about the two of those, but everyone on H-T seems to like them. The one piston I would avoid is Arias. To be safe you can go with 9:1 - 9.5:1 and oversize, but I will most likely keep close to the same compression pistons and then oversize. This is going to be monitored closely for potential detonation, so keeping the same cr on the pistons will not be a problem.

injectors: I would suggest 450cc(requires a resistor box), this is a good start. I would stay away from RC saturated injectors(just my personal opinion).

fuel pump: Walbro 255lph high pressure intank fuel pump would be my choice. I just bought one from Lightningmotorsports(IM "lightning" for a good deal). You could get an AEM adjustable fpr while you're ordering from him.

Fuel Management: If you don't have one already, you can get a Apexi VAFC and do the VAFC hack when you get the 450cc injectors and Walbro pump. this would be a budget mod until you can save up for Hondata or the AEM EMS.







[Modified by maxim, 11:28 PM 11/28/2002]

civicsitek GanGsTa

before you start asking what you will have to do to your engine to handle boost you have to set some goals, since you clain to be a rookie I'll offer some suggestions. Are you going to race the car when its done? What kind of racing if any? Is reliablility a factor? Anytime you turbo charge a honda, (they weren't meant to be turbocharged), you have to take these things into consideration. I think sleeving the block is jumping the gun though. You have to have goals first.

Damon B.

You can't run a turbo on a stock b16