Jim Truett

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Paprika &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NOooooooooooooooo man. Hit up your local honda dealership's parts center and get 3qts of Honda Genuine ATF/MTF, add some Lucas ATF conditioner to that your set for life </TD></TR></TABLE>

First, I have never seen a Honda trans on a four cylinder application take more than two quarts. Second, it's MTF (manual transmission fluid) ATF (automatic transmission fluid) is not acceptable for this application. The lucas ATF conditioner is not right either. They do have a pretty good oil stabilizer for manual transmissions though.

slambedcivic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jim Truett &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">First, I have never seen a Honda trans on a four cylinder application take more than two quarts. </TD></TR></TABLE>

umm... my LS trans takes 2.7 quarts. and my EX trans takes 2.3. ive NEVER seen a honda tranny that took less than 2 quarts.

T.J.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jmk2888 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honda MTF (Manual Transmission Fluid) from Honda


I change it every 20,000 miles.</TD></TR></TABLE>

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I use REDLINE MTL in my tranny.
REDLINE says, " (MTL) Provides excellent protection of gears and synchronizers and its balanced slipperiness provides a perfect coefficient of friction, allowing easier shifting. Popular in many BMW transmissions and in most Honda and Acura transaxle applications." It is classified as a 70W80 GL-4 Gear Oil (SAE 5W30/10W30 engine oil viscosity)
BENEFIT SUMMARY
• Eliminates notchy shifting
• Designed for manual transmissions and transaxles
• Perfect synchronizer coefficient of friction
• Enables high-speed downshifting
• Excellent shifting even when cold • Eliminates gear whine and rattle at high temperatures
• High-performance gear protection
• Non-corrosive toward synchronizers
• Satisfies manual transmissions and transaxles requiring
motor oils, or GL-1, GL-3, or GL-4 gear oils
FOR MORE INFO VISIT http://www.redlineoil.com


Modified by 94JDMEG at 6:37 AM 9/16/2004

inane

my ex takes 1.9qt of gear oil... its what the manual says

slambedcivic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by imk &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my ex takes 1.9qt of gear oil... its what the manual says</TD></TR></TABLE>
youre not filling it right then. i just put 2 and a 1/4 quarts of honda manual trans fluid in my 1999 ex tranmission about a week ago.

Jim Truett

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slambedcivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
youre not filling it right then. i just put 2 and a 1/4 quarts of honda manual trans fluid in my 1999 ex tranmission about a week ago.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well then you overfilled it.

92+ D-Series = 1.9 quarts for oil change
92+ B-Series = 2.3 quarts for oil change
02+ K-Series = 1.6 quarts for oil change
H22 5 speed = 1.7 or 1.8 quarts depending on transmission part number

The overhaul figure is greater, generally by .2 quart.

The figures are straight from the Helms manual. If you don't believe them, call and complain

Coco Savage

Ok so to understand this its just ok to go w/Honda MTF then? I mean Redline annd all these others that are mention is that just throwing away money or no? Or is this just a preference thing. I ask b/c i have 95 B16A and im starting to buy all fluids, and stuff for preventive maintence. So i guess i just wanna buy the good reliable stuff and not the flashy stuff. Thanxs!!

ejprimo

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jim Truett &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't forget there are some of us who are running our transmissions at 200%+ of their intended capacity. I'm not trusting the Honda MTF to have the film strength I need.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i dont trust honda mtf either. its definitely not the best tranny fluid available on the market.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondapwr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The viscosity lasts for a very long time in a transmission. The real reason you need to replace it on a regular basis is to remove the tiny metal particles creation from gear friction.</TD></TR></TABLE>

honda mtf seems to have a problem reatining its viscosity. below are two oil analysis, the first virgin and the second is used from a 1996 Acura Integra LS 1.8DOHC that documents the viscosity of honda mtf.

new http://theoildrop.server101.co...00000
brand new the viscosity is 11.26cst@100C which is halfway up the 30wt scale.

used http://theoildrop.server101.co...00562
after approx. 22,000 miles the viscosity is 6.63cst@100C which is a low 20wt.

that looks like a 40% drop in viscosity after 22,000 miles. but honda knows best and they want you to change your mtf every 30,000 miles. by then your honda mtf would be a 10 weight oil.

im currently using a GL-4 full synthetic transmission fluid:

Castrol Syntorq LT 75W-85

GM Part # 12346190 Chrysler Part #4637579

ejprimo

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Sure, I believe choosing lubricants for your engine is greatly based on opinion. But if you really love your engine wouldn't you do some research and choose the best one's availiable. Most of us on Honda-Tech use synthetic lubricants in our engines because they have proven to be superior for the way we drive our cars.

Look at it this way....Honda Genuine ATF or Manual Tranny Fluid is great for Honda/Acura engines that run near or at factory spec. If you modify your engine to make it faster and drive it under severe condtions at times you are putting your engine, transmission, and braking system under stress and making them work harder than they were built to. Petroleum lubricants such as the Honda lubricants listed above fall short in performing under these levels in comparision to synthetic lubricants. Synthetics offer a lower rate of evaportaion at high temperatures, reduced wear at moderate and heavy loads, reduced friction-meaning improved durability, reduced temperatures, and better efficiency.,higher viscosity in bearings and cams, long-drain capabilities etc.
BASICALLY I COULD GO ON AND ON. Just decide however you want. Synthetics are going to be twice as much and even more in some cases as far as price goes. So now that you have the information it is up to your opinion. If you expect high performance from your car you will demand a lot from you lubricants. It is your opinion but what ever you choose stick to it. Perform your fluid changes using the same lubricants at the same mileage incriments for best results.

intezn

5w30 Mobil 1 Full Synthetic Motor Oil here

in a 95 LS tranny

runs pretty smooth for me

I would have used Honda MTF, but the parts counter was closed when I needed it.

senpai

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slambedcivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">HONDA MTF or GM syncromesh

i ran 5w30 in my 99 EX tranny mated to my z6 motor for about a year. i recently changed over to Honda MTF and its much smoother. i currently run castrol 5w30 in my LS trans in my 92 hatch. after a while of driving it thins out pretty bad and its hard to get in gear. just my thoughts.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Who told you to use 5w-30? If you noticed, the people without problems (such as myself) use something thicker like 10w-30.

slambedcivic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by senpai &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Who told you to use 5w-30? If you noticed, the people without problems (such as myself) use something thicker like 10w-30.</TD></TR></TABLE>
hence the reason i no longer run castrol in my tranny, im running honda MTF.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jim Truett &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Well then you overfilled it.

92+ D-Series = 1.9 quarts for oil change
92+ B-Series = 2.3 quarts for oil change
02+ K-Series = 1.6 quarts for oil change
H22 5 speed = 1.7 or 1.8 quarts depending on transmission part number

The overhaul figure is greater, generally by .2 quart.

The figures are straight from the Helms manual. If you don't believe them, call and complain </TD></TR></TABLE>
im not saying your wrong, or that helms is wrong. youre supposed to fill teh transmission until it drips a few times. thats what i do, and its what i go by. honda and acura survice bullitans are my friend. as are the oem honda/acura manuals. i trust what has been working for me.

senpai

As long as you fill the tranny until it drips out, does it really matter how much you put in?

slambedcivic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by senpai &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As long as you fill the tranny until it drips out, does it really matter how much you put in? </TD></TR></TABLE>
my thoughts exactly.

funkiesmell

all hondas i have worked on i have always used 10w30 or 10w40 your totally kool... although i would suggest using synthetic oil becuase it sticks to metal better than conventional oil...

EK45VTi

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slambedcivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

umm... my LS trans takes 2.7 quarts. and my EX trans takes 2.3. ive NEVER seen a honda tranny that took less than 2 quarts. </TD></TR></TABLE>


DX and EX tranny take aprox 1.9-2.0 quarts of fluid... that's from the experience AND from the Honda repair manual...

slambedcivic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KKVTi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


DX and EX tranny take aprox 1.9-2.0 quarts of fluid... that's from the experience AND from the Honda repair manual... </TD></TR></TABLE>

well speaking from experience as well, my car EX tranny took OVER 2 quarts of fluid as did my LS

leadtrum

anybody got a link for cheap prices for penziol syncromesh and what exact kind to get?

Mark27

I don't have the link for that.

But the Long's here has redline MTF selling for around $8. With Honda MTF going for $7, I think I'll give redline a try

scdarksol

Ehhh just want u guys to think about something. Everybody probaly knows that the new Hondas use 5-20 oil, so let's just say someone put in 20-50 hmmm what would that do to the engine? Yes! you're absolutely correct! It will wear down your engine faster!, less gas mileage, so my point of view is use what it calls for, and you'll never have problems. Which is 10-30 or Honda MTF, hmmm 75-90? I dunno buddy, seen tranny blow up cause of that!

5w20

Any 5w30 or 10w30 will work fine but Honda MTF will be the best bet. Shifting will probably be smoother with the Honda MTF but the others will work fine and not damage the tranny.

As for syncromesh I haven't tried it but it sounds like it works really well.

<U>For people using gear oil (AKA 75w90--80w90) good luck with your transmissions. Thats too thick and it won't be able to get in all the places to lubricate</U>.


Modified by 5w20 at 8:44 PM 9/17/2004

Plan B

I noticed that as well.

inane

80w90 gear oil for me... real thick and smooth... toss in some lucas while youre at it

and slambed, if you put more than 1.9qts in... then you did overfill it...

the manual says my engine takes 3.5qts of oil... sure i could put in 4 or 5 qts of oil... but thats overfilling it and really not good for it...

if i were you id drain it and put 1.9 in