tonesdef

i don't know if i got the header right its smps or smsp or somthing like that. but header wise which is the best hytek and smps use 4-1 and the toda uses 4-2-1. this is going to be for my b16 or b18 which ever one i get. i'm looking for the most power good power band etc. can some one also explain the differnce between a 4-2-1 and a 4-1 and the gains between both.

also jun vs toda i looked at import review and a did a search and say a lot of people complain about lost power with the spec b's and c's is this just becuase of not tunning the cam and so forth. but which is better jun or toda cam wise and just performance in genrale.

Apex i ITR

Do a search about this topic in the ITR forum (And archived as well). Those guys get into huge threads bout all the Jun/Toda/SMSP/Hytech headers all the time (Although not recently).

vtecvoodoo

I have the Comptech Full Race Header

Simply bitchin`.

Ryan


[Modified by vtecvoodoo, 10:25 AM 1/17/2003]

Suprdave

You dun need a SMS or a Hytech for a *****-*** B16a.

Even Toda is prolly overkill...but stilla nice header.

SMS is 1100
Hytech is 1300
Toda is 800-900

How deep are your pockets?

Suprdave

Mr Furball

You betta watch calling a B16 a *****. I know quite a few that will kill an ITR that has been modified. I don't want to get into a bitching contest but step lightly when talking like that.

And you do relize that the B-16 loves to breathe so why would a JUN or a toda be overkill. I know just get a JDM 4-1 but if you have the cash why not?????


[Modified by FURBALL B-16, 2:04 PM 1/17/2003]

liam821

you could get a an-r header!







looks awesome!

liam

Suprdave

Well, since he's swapping into a stock B16a, my comment stands.

Also, your 'modified' b16a will still get killed by a b18 with the same mods, and even worse by a B20\VTEC setup.

Suprdave


[Modified by Suprdave, 1:30 PM 1/17/2003]

vtecvoodoo

*****

haha

Mr Furball

I hope you have a good rod stroke so you keep your motor around. plus I don't think that I am in 3rd grade anymore.

I have a b20 and you don't na na na na, who cares. I was just making a point.

Suprdave

R\S blah blah blah. B16a are nice motors, but there's no replacement for displacement.

Suprdave

Mr Furball

what about ls/VTECH??????

Suprdave

I didnt know VTECH started making car parts...

But even in that case, the displacement is more than than the GSR and way more than the B16a.

Suprdave

vtecvoodoo

both of you..shut up

Suprdave

Im done, and off to work...

Holla

Suprdave

IM ALL BOB

yeah do what MR.80s here says.. because Bisi OWNZ us all

TruePlayaz114

why don't you look into a mugen header. I went from a DC 4-2-1 to a Mugen 4-1 and the gains are night and day. Below 3grand i lost a little but who cares about 3 grand. From there up the power is sick.

Mr Furball

I guess you can't tell sarcasim when you read one. welcome to the internet

superfag. also you said that displacement is better so I say again what about the LS/VETC......

Mr Furball

And if you don't want to read this post then don't log on

vtecvoodoo

wtf is ls/vetc? haha

JDM92CX

What was the name of this thread again

Doctor CorteZ

watch it dude , Ryan posts alot of good info and is very helpful...

Apex i ITR

He's a big boy. IF he wants to take Ryan on then let him. Just Like Furball taking on sprdave.

Bottom line anything done to a B16 can be done to a B18 anything and kill it. The B16A is the weakest DOHC vtec motor Honda ever made.....this is fact.

Now back to the topic. It dpeends on how far you are going to go with your setup. If you are going serious N/A (Cam's high compression pistons etc) then the high dollar headers might be for you. If not then just go with a JDM DC header and call it a day.


[Modified by Apex i ITR, 1:23 PM 1/17/2003]

nwdave

All of those headers are very nice, but you will only capitalize on the gains with tuning.

DC Sports you can just bolt-on and forget it. Toda, JUN, HyTech, SMSP, Spoon, AN-R...all of those would benefit greatly from being tuned on a dyno.

As far as cams go, I have no personal experience with both, but from what I've heard and read on this board (again, do a search, there's a ton of info around) JUNs idle better than Todas. I won't say a word about power

Apex i ITR

I got my Toda to idle like stock (Spec Bs) Just had to subtract a shitload of fuel @ idle

Doctor CorteZ

no reason they shouldnt if you know what you're doing...