Pat_Black

I'm looking to get a little bit more power out of my stock b16a2 engine without boost. I figured cams would be a good place to start since I already did all the external stuff like exhaust and intake. I'm not sure if I should go aftermarket or maybe just stock jdm cams. Any input would help. Thanks

grumblemarc

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And how do you plan on tuning this? it aint a V8 where you can just drop stuff like that in and expect it to run properly.

VtechB20crx

I would go with aftermarket cams with springs and retainers.

grumblemarc

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Way to provide no concrete information. Vague much?

mitchh29

Upgrading internal engine parts is always a good move. As we all know parts wear out and going with stronger parts rather then stock parts is also the smart move. But like Marc said, it will be work so do your research.

Pat_Black

Well Marc I've been out of the scene for awhile. I did have a eg coupe with a boosted ls that I built from the ground up.. All I did to the engine was head studs and cometic head gasket. So I'm not very experienced with internals but I'm a quick learner. This was like 5 years ago. I tuned that with uberdata/chrome, whatever you would like to call it. So I was considering using the same type of tune with this set up. Any brand you guys would suggest? Nothing too aggressive.

B_Swapped93

Skunk2 "Tuner" series are good cams that can be run with a stock bottom end they WILL REQUIRE the car to be tuned tho. I have tuner 2's in my GS-R along with bolt on's + head milled car pushed 192whp. but I have stock gears even with those cams for the 2-5hp gain it's not worth the 200$ for the gears not counting the tune session for them. i may as well get a 5 angle vj or mild porting.

doctorake

I would just post it or go with a 1.8 bottom end.

VtechB20crx

I apologize for being so vague and didn't live up to another member's standards. So, let's try this again. I would go with aftermarket cams that are typically larger than stock cams. Toda B's are a good set. More air flow and a good tune equals more power. Then, I would also add springs and retainers to avoid valve train failure due to the larger cams. BC springs and retainers are another good brand. I hope that this is a better response and will help you. Good luck on your build.

grumblemarc

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So you people advocating going this route can justify the cost/work versus the little amount of horsepower gained? Ridiculous. It's a foolish idea to consider and obviously ill thought out.

"JDM cams". pffff.

VtechB20crx

It's all in what you want and your future plans. If someone wants to bump the compression later for more power, then why not pick up some parts along the way that will help in getting gains. Isn't that what it's about? Getting gains and having fun with what you have?

grumblemarc

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Depends on what your definition of "a little power" is isn't it? It definitely depends on how deep your pockets are and how realistic you're trying to be or whether or not you're just pipe dreaming. Don't know how you people are even suggesting anything while not knowing what the OP is trying to specifically accomplish and what kind of budget he's working with. So no, it isn't what it's all about.

VtechB20crx

All I did was give my opinion. I don't know if you are on your period this week or what, but really no reason to be a dick about it. If you don't like my opinion or what I said. That's your problem, so how about you keep it to yourself.

B_Swapped93

lol you have that COMPLETETLY backwards you'll eff up your valves + springs first time you hit vtec when you're getting it tuned(which they all say and never do). Lean what cams are best suited for your current set up b16's are **** you might be able to squeeze 170whp or so. Learn what you're doing before you go buying random parts and throwing them in.

VtechB20crx

You install the springs and retainers when you install the cams. Then tune. Of course don't put cams only in then go tune. You will eff it up. If it came off in the wrong order. sorry. my fault.

grumblemarc

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If you're going to give an opinion then back it up with solid facts. You came in here not knowing WHAT the OP was trying to do or was capable of doing and started recommending parts. How can you do that without knowing ONE THING about the OPs intentions? Answer; You can't. Don't even know why you tried.

VtechB20crx

What was wrong with what I said? I didn't say go buy this part or that part. I said what I would do. I have already been down that road and was satisfied with the out come.

grumblemarc

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"A little more power without boosting" doesn't tell you anything. Not one thing. Don't see how you think it's self-explanatory. You have absolutely no information to go off of to be recommending anything.

VtechB20crx

alright, then lets here your suggestions.

rico58204

OP would need to explain his goals better to get a good answer.

grumblemarc

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I suggest you keep your mouth shut until the OP defines a horsepower goal and a budget. That's my suggestion. And since we're quick to toss opinions around, my thought that it is stupid to do an N/A build on a 1.6 liter engine. The dollar spent to horsepower gained is not cost effectively and just plain dumb to attempt. It's also my experience that people like the OP that want power out of these things and state forced induction is not an option do so because they have not educated themselves about FI and/or have no real budget. They come in here and start threads like this.

VtechB20crx

I will say what I want. when I want and I agree with the rest of what you said.

grumblemarc

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Hm. That was kinda like telling me to keep it to myself. Hypocrite much?

Reminder, this is a public forum.

OP needs to state some goals. Anyone trying to recommend parts without that knowledge should not be listened to and aren't helping.

rico58204

QFT

dirty19

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Its obvious Marc they dont do much research.
Like i have said many times. Not all go fast parts create more HP.
Some counter react others, and some make things worse than stock.

Cams are the last thing i would try unless i have the means to tune properly with a S300 or similar platform.
Im talking about a bonafide programable platform not those chrome chips or pherable ones.
Those often cause more harm than good.
The cost of the cams and the electronics isnt worth the small gains you"might" see from them.
Dont believe all the HP numbers you see on the side of the boxes you get in the mail.

I wish i could find the article in either honda tuning or sport compact car.
It was a number of years ago.
Its a real eye opener.
They took a DC and put intake, exhaust and cams on it.
Cost like 1800.00-2000.00 in parts and i doubt they picked up 13hp
It was a total waste of money.