liquidoblivion

Looking for some help guys, im kinda new to these newer hondas, I have only worked on 2nd and 4ths gens. My friend has a 96 Civic EX Sedan with the d16y8. Its getting kinda tired with 280k miles on it and the headgasket is leaking, overheats and the coolant looks bout like pure oil. So went to the local importers to see what they have. The have 2 3rd gen integra clips with sohc ZCs. Anybody know much about these, the ower says they are 96-00 integras so they should be OBD2 right?? How can I tell, what would i have to do to get one of these in his civic?? What kinda stuff do i need to look out for?? I looked at the ECU for one of the tegs and it was a small box bout half the size of my OBD0 ecus and said p76 on it if that helps. Thanks.

liquidoblivion

ttt, come on guys, nothing at all??

street dreams

just get another d16y8 motor or its time for a b-series swap but that engine importer is trying to rip u off i have never seen a 89 and up integra come w/ a SOHC zc motor or any SOHC motor only civic and if the motor is motor is a 96 and newer obd2 SOHC zc then its a vtec w/ the 2 stage vtec i think not really sure

johnny_tdi

Imo just buy another Y8 they are cheap and you will not need to rewire anything plug and play is better.

Tru

or rebuild the motor, then boost it.

liquidoblivion

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by street dreams &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just get another d16y8 motor or its time for a b-series swap but that engine importer is trying to rip u off i have never seen a 89 and up integra come w/ a SOHC zc motor or any SOHC motor only civic and if the motor is motor is a 96 and newer obd2 SOHC zc then its a vtec w/ the 2 stage vtec i think not really sure</TD></TR></TABLE>
rip me off eh?? how so?? how many JDM tegs have you seen? maybe you should know what your talking about before you open your mouth. 94+ JDM base integras came with SOHC non-vtec ZCs. They are pretty much like a d16y7. I can get the whole swap with 40k miles for $800, thats engine, accessories, tranny, axles, harnes, ECU. Please explain to me how this is a "rip-off." Where can I get a low mileage d16y8 motor for less?

ozzeran

LOL. Integras have always had DOHC.

johnny_tdi

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rip me off eh?? how so?? how many JDM tegs have you seen? maybe you should know what your talking about before you open your mouth. 94+ JDM base integras came with SOHC non-vtec ZCs. They are pretty much like a d16y7. I can get the whole swap with 40k miles for $800, thats engine, accessories, tranny, axles, harnes, ECU. Please explain to me how this is a "rip-off." Where can I get a low mileage d16y8 motor for less? </TD></TR></TABLE>

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1575176
Over here seach before you spend a dollar. You have no Idea what you are talking about.

johnny_tdi

another thing anyone can say a motor has xxxmiles question is can they prove it NO.

turnsignalandy

dont y8 motors go for about 500? Also from what i heard ZC's are craps

liquidoblivion

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YES, the engine is in a clip. I looked at the guage cluster myself. The engine you linked to is in Indiana, even if i could get the engine and get it to my house for $500. Its wortht the extra $300 for the accessories, tranny and axles. Yea people like to say ZCs are crap but then have nothing to back it up. ZCs aren't very different from their american counterparts. There is a ZC that is just like a d16y8 and one thats just like a d16y7.

Toyo TI-S Spec

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by liquidoblivion &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
rip me off eh?? how so?? how many JDM tegs have you seen? maybe you should know what your talking about before you open your mouth. 94+ JDM base integras came with SOHC non-vtec ZCs. They are pretty much like a d16y7. I can get the whole swap with 40k miles for $800, thats engine, accessories, tranny, axles, harnes, ECU. Please explain to me how this is a "rip-off." Where can I get a low mileage d16y8 motor for less? </TD></TR></TABLE>

94+ integras came with 1.8 B-series motors. This included the following

B18B - LS/RS/GS
B18C1 - GS-R
B18C5 - Type-R

ZC motors don't come in 1.8. They come in 1.6. They're pretty much just like any SOHC VTEC d-series with less fuel economy and better torque. People claim ZC's are crap because they came in 86-89 integras. Thats given a motor over 15 years old that includes technolgy that might be considered outdated by todays standards.

and as for JDM base integras. They too came with 1.6 ZC motors that barely any people know about because its so unpopular. Think about it, how slow is your 2300lbs ex couple with a 1.6. Now add about 300 more lbs to the car to make it almost even with an integra.


1.6L, 4 cylinder, SOHC ZC
120 PS (118 HP) @ 6400 RPM
14.7 kg-m (106 lbs-ft) @ 5000 RPM

The d16y8 has roughly 129 hp and 107 lbs-ft.

So you're actually downgrading. Not to mention the ZC is JDM and may not have all the emissions control stuff we have on USDM so you'll end up in a bigger mess. Many JDM motors did not come with USDM issued emissions components guys.

johnny_tdi

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There is a ZC that is just like a d16y8 and one thats just like a d16y7.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Prove this. I have never heard of a single cam ZC vtec.
I have heard of a single cam ZC non-vtec that came in the 1989-1991 crx as a base engine.

You have no idea what you are saying/buying do you

. M i c h a e l

the EF guys know a lot about ZCs...its a popular swap as its pretty much a USDM D16A6 with a more aggresive cam.

There are three versions of the ZC, one of which is DOHC...all are D series.

johnny_tdi

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by . M i c h a e l &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the EF guys know a lot about ZCs...its a popular swap as its pretty much a USDM D16A6 with a more aggresive cam.

There are three versions of the ZC, one of which is DOHC...all are D series.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This guy claims that a their is a ZC, that is the same as a d16y8. No Chance all ZC motors are non vtec.

bmoua

since you dont live in CA (damn laws) get a swap bro...you can get a b16 for cheap bro....or a LS...

liquidoblivion

You sir have no idea what you are talking about. Ya know just because you have heard or haven't heard about something doesn't mean you know everything about it. So the ZC lesson begins.

1st gen DOHC ZC - brown valve cover - came in 86-87 JDM Integra - will bolt directly into 1st gen CRX Si and 3rd gen Civic Si - will not bolt directly into 2nd gen CRX or 4th gen Civic.
2nd gen DOHC ZC - black valve cover - came in 88-89 JDM Integra - will bolt directly into 1st gen CRX and 3rd gen Civic, same as brown valve cover, however, it uses electronic advance distributor like 88-89 USDM Integra D16A1 - 1st gen CRX Si and 3rd gen Civic Si have vacuum advance distributor, so, to use it on 1g CRX or 3g Civic, you will have to do a lot of wiring changes.
3rd gen DOHC ZC - black valve cover - came in 88-91 JDM CRX Si and Civic Si - bolts directly into 2nd gen CRX and 4th gen Civic.
4th gen DOHC ZC - black valve cover - came in several different models of JDM cars 92 & up - is OBD1 - has Cylinder Position Sensor inside the distributor and will bolt directly into 92-00 Civics
SOHC ZC - basically the same as D16A6 (little more horsepower) - will bolt directly into 2nd gen CRX and 4th gen Civic.
SOHC VTEC ZC - basically the same as D16Z6 - OBD1 - will bolt directly into 92-00 Civic
OBD2 SOHC ZC - basically the same as a D16y7 came in the 96-00 JDM base integras.

links-

Here are two OBD2 SOHC ZC on ebay, this is the one like a d16y7, these came in INTEGRAS PEOPLE, LIKE IT OR NOT.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...QrdZ1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...QrdZ1

Here is a SOHC ZC VTEC(the one that doesn't exist)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...QrdZ1

Here is a link to PGM-FI.org showing a list of ECUs, they don't have any OBD2 stuff here but if you look at the P76, look what it shows: P76: 94-95 OBD-1 JDM Integra (sohc zc)
http://www.pgmfi.org/twiki/bin...ilies

Last here is the ultimate proof that I do know what im talking about, some of you guys really need to look/read around this site. You can learn a lot about what engines came in what cars in Japan as well as all the crazy models Honda has there, they don't have here.
http://www.alljapanesecars.com...c=DB6

So there you go a 97 OBD2 Integra with a 1.6 ZC. I can run over to my importers shop and get some pics of the two front clips he has from these. He also has a busted ZC Vtec there i can get some pics of too, cause they do exist. Now I maybe wrong about the D16y8 thing, the vtec ZCs may have only been OBD1, so it would be like a d16z6, but there is a ZC with Vtec.

So i guess this will be my last question on honda-tech as it seems I have to answer more than EVER gets answered.

No chance eh? Can i get an OWNED?

johnny_tdi

for me for you.
I thought the only single cam jdm vtec came as a d15b, and a d16z6.
I knew a single cam non-vtec was available as I bought a 91 si with that motor instaled.
Again sorry about that. But non are compareable to the d16y8. Non of these motors will directly bolt up in an obd2 cahsis without f*cking around with rewire this jumper harness that.

. M i c h a e l

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You sir have no idea what you are talking about. Ya know just because you have heard or haven't heard about something doesn't mean you know everything about it. So the ZC lesson begins. </TD></TR></TABLE>

thank you for posting all that. i jumped on here to say exactly what you just did and it was already done.

axtran

there are many more engine variants in Japan. hearing what exists from an American doesn't tell you much, now does it? There was a guy in the Integgy forum who bought a cheap DC2 shell and dropped in a D15B Turbo and people were giving him crap about it, but he knew that he could b/c by goly they existed in japan with the ZC integgys.

FalkenSiR

JDM 94+ tegs did have a sohc non vtec as their base model or something.

GarageAlchemist

just buy a d16y8, you cannot switch to a obo car and keep it street legal. If the car was 1996 and up new smog laws plug into the obd2 reader.. you won't have a obd2 reader cause you won't have a obd2 ecu. you will fail smog, then they will wonder why, look at your engines vin or the block code, and fine you. tow your car, and you would be screwed.

. M i c h a e l

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yeah, it was 120 HP...came with an automatic and was all wheel drive.

kiddcarbuff

due, take everyones advice buy another d16y8 instead of dicking around w/ all of these older outdated d-series... if you were swapping a crx or pre 92 civic this would be fine but since its new and not to mention a 4 door, putting an oldeer d eries in it is a poor investment IMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! jsut get a y8 for 500 and call it a day

schardbody

i think the OP is the only one here that knows what they are talking about so this is directed at him, and onlly him.... dude, look for the oil pump mounted dipstick meaning not in the front, on the side where the motor mount is. secondly, there are obd2 zc's and D15bs for that matter. non vtec zc obd2 is IDENTICAL to a y7, and vtec zc obd2 is IDENTICAL to a y8. either way, if its the same obd as the car its going into just get it and use your intake manifold and no wiring mods will be needed. if you need more info on zc's or anything dont direct it to these fools who think they know, pm someone that does.

OH, and for everyone else, JDM tegs DO DO DO come w/ a SOHC, SO HAHAHAHAHA, all of you just got OWNED.