Sleepy_Red_hatch

okay well as far as i can cee, the pivots dont really stop the bar from working, all theese bars do is prevent your car's body from doing this \ / and this / \ during cornering, am i missing something?

SOHC4life 96

This topic is actually up in the air on whether they are as functional as solid bars or not. The fact that they have a pivot point means there is a place for them to loose their structural integrity when put under pressure. Basically, the bar will bend at the pivot point if put under pressure.

Sleepy_Red_hatch

i dont cee how it would bend at a bolt when you have a long, sometimes bent section of metal that is able to flex, i think it would be more likely to bend there

SOHC4life 96

MOST (emphasis on most) bars are stronger than the bolts, so the bolt will break loose long before the bar will bend.

Sleepy_Red_hatch

even so its a 2$ fix lol higher grade bolts, i just really want to know because i want to get discount EGay bars since im poor but if the pivots are that big of a deal ill pay a lil more

pdiggitydogg

take a straw, bend it on both ends to make a table, hold it level, lift one side...wow look, it moves both sides.
Bars that have pivot points do the same thing. If youre going to buy a thing that doesnt really do much in the first place, at least get one that will attempt to work more than the other.
If you dont want to spend a lot on a bar, get an oem bar from an em1, del sol, or integra

SOHC4life 96

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sleepy_Red_hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">even so its a 2$ fix lol higher grade bolts, i just really want to know because i want to get discount EGay bars since im poor but if the pivots are that big of a deal ill pay a lil more</TD></TR></TABLE>

Upgrading the bolt wont do anything. It will still be able to 'twist' so to speak. Besides you can get a 99-00 Si bar for ~$40 Maybe less.

erasable180

most things that are built for rigidity dont have pivot points. and ive never seen a stock tower bar with pivots. so i would assume no pivots is better, even if only fractionally better.

Sleepy_Red_hatch

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pdiggitydogg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">take a straw, bend it on both ends to make a table, hold it level, lift one side...wow look, it moves both sides.
Bars that have pivot points do the same thing. If youre going to buy a thing that doesnt really do much in the first place, at least get one that will attempt to work more than the other.
If you dont want to spend a lot on a bar, get an oem bar from an em1, del sol, or integra</TD></TR></TABLE>

i understand your argument but i really don't think it applies in this case...

<U>DISCLAIMER</U> before i go on i would liek to make it clear to everyone that i am NOT trying ot be a smartass, i am NOT trying to offend anyone, i just want to get to the bottom of this. in NO way am i saying that i am knowlegable, im JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND and feel free to disprove me, the more accurate the arguement for or agaisnt me, the more we all learn. with that in mind, lets proceed
okay taking into account that the figure "1" is the body while moving in a straight line
i understand that a pivot in a strutbar woould allow the chassis to flex as depicted in "2" BUT i was always led to belive that its figure 3 and 4 that we we're attempting to eliminate with strut bars, in which case it wouldent make any diffrence, pivot or not.

also if the body flexed as in figure 2, the bars that wount into the two holes in sheet metal (not the ones that mount to the strut tower 10mm bolts) would rip themselves completely out of the sheetmetal. feel free to disprove me, i would appreciate not being flammed thogh.


bar that mounts to strut tower


bar that mounts to sheetmetal

pdiggitydogg

its not really sheet metal, if youre going to call it that...its pretty heavy gauge.

Youre putting a lot of effort into this, and it isnt required, since they do so little anyways.
No matter which bar you get, youre not going to notice any difference whatsoever

Sleepy_Red_hatch

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pdiggitydogg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its not really sheet metal, if youre going to call it that...its pretty heavy gauge.

Youre putting a lot of effort into this, and it isnt required, since they do so little anyways.
No matter which bar you get, youre not going to notice any difference whatsoever</TD></TR></TABLE>

now you're disapointing me, im about ot buy 5 bars and your tellimg me ill hjave no gains?

pdiggitydogg

5???? Christ...
If you want better handling, just buy a rear sway bar

Really, go ahead and buy the bar package deal off ebay. Put them all on and then tell me that you honestly notice a difference (if you do, its in your head).
Have someone else who's driven it before drive it too, but dont tell them you did anything. They will not be able to tell the difference at all

SOHC4life 96

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pdiggitydogg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">5???? Christ...
If you want better handling, just buy a rear sway bar</TD></TR></TABLE>

Rear sway is the best thing you could do to your suspension.

JCracer723

one thing is body flex another thing is body roll... i dont which one you are trying to reduce

Sleepy_Red_hatch

flex, because i will wait until i get some new suspension components before researching a swaybar (i can get used Tien HA's for dirt cheap)

JCracer723

is a cage an option for u?

Sleepy_Red_hatch

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nope, too expencive and pretty damn ugly lol, i just want to tear the corners to ****, not road race or anything, im starting a project crx that will be a road racer, that one will have a cage

JCracer723

try to connect the for 4 seat belt bolt points with a X form bar.. fab it or buy it.. i think some companies already make it.. horizontal bars dont do **** for body flex.. as for body roll thats a different story

raiden571

never thought of it like that, but it makes sense that horz bars dont do much. id just save for struts and springs

wdstkd16

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Rear sway is the best thing you could do to your suspension.</TD></TR></TABLE>

difference is night and say with my ST sway bar, compared to nothing