rebuilt motor i think machine shop screwed me over
05-05-2007, 12:58 PM
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rebuilt motor i think machine shop screwed me over
hey wat up. i juts had my motor rebuilt by a machine shop around me. its a b17 block with a b16 head all new internals block bored .50 over with je srp pistions 10.5-1 compression. now the idl is up at 1800 rpms i messed wit the idle screw didnt change anything. the screw is all the way down and idl droped to like 1600. also i thought all hondas had the same firing order wicj is 1234 from the right to the left. the machine shop said its 1243 i never heard of that. also the valves are tapping the head gasket is leaking rite on the front pass side corner and im hearing like a whirling sound like he never replaced the bearing. its coming from the driver side but from the head. and its also popping so bad that my hood kinda lifts up wen it pops. so idk wat to do besides go there and argue with the guy any advice or anything or any ammunition for wen i go and talk to the dude ok thanks peaxe
05-05-2007, 12:59 PM
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Re: rebuilt motor i think machine shop screwed me over (mtownsi)
Holy hard to read sentence Batman.
Take it back to the shop and tell them it's running like ***. Not your problem.
Take it back to the shop and tell them it's running like ***. Not your problem.
05-05-2007, 01:01 PM
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Re: rebuilt motor i think machine shop screwed me over (mtownsi)
firing order 1342
sounds like they didnt adjust the valve lash for you (which is typical machine shop ****)
and they torqued down the head gasket wrong take that back
and they might have fucked up puttting the bearings in all in all not a great motor builder
sounds like they didnt adjust the valve lash for you (which is typical machine shop ****)
and they torqued down the head gasket wrong take that back
and they might have fucked up puttting the bearings in all in all not a great motor builder
05-05-2007, 01:02 PM
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Re: rebuilt motor i think machine shop screwed me over (Team RS2)
^^ Exactly, not his problem.
it was running right when you took it to them. There's no reason it's not their fault for it running like *** now. Unless you've had it out of the shop for a few weeks before it started having problems.
it was running right when you took it to them. There's no reason it's not their fault for it running like *** now. Unless you've had it out of the shop for a few weeks before it started having problems.
05-05-2007, 01:06 PM
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Re: rebuilt motor i think machine shop screwed me over (mtownsi)
nope the motor dont even have a mile on it. yea my bad the sentences i just am very pissed cua i paid the dude 1400 bills and he took like 3 weeks to build it and its all fudged up naa mean o alo if the firing order is changed like that will vtec be screwed up or that has nutin to do wit it?
05-05-2007, 01:21 PM
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Re: rebuilt motor i think machine shop screwed me over (mtownsi)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Holy hard to read sentence Batman.
Take it back to the shop and tell them it's running like ***. Not your problem.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Take it back to the shop and tell them it's running like ***. Not your problem.</TD></TR></TABLE>
05-05-2007, 01:58 PM
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Re: rebuilt motor i think machine shop screwed me over (ek forever guy)
Scary ****, owner and machine shop both have incorrect yet different firing orders...
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Re: rebuilt motor i think machine shop screwed me over (oneludesol)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oneludesol »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Scary ****, owner and machine shop both have incorrect yet different firing orders...</TD></TR></TABLE>
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05-05-2007, 04:56 PM
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Re: rebuilt motor i think machine shop screwed me over (mtownsi)
yea ima bring it back to them actually i might have him pay for a tow truck so i dont have to drive it to him. also what about the firing order how can it be changed and will my vtec be affected by that or anything else? ok thanks for everybody input
05-05-2007, 05:16 PM
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Re: rebuilt motor i think machine shop screwed me over (mtownsi)
only way i am aware to ***** up firing order is to mix up the plug wires...
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Re: rebuilt motor i think machine shop screwed me over (oneludesol)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oneludesol »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">only way i am aware to ***** up firing order is to mix up the plug wires...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Or the cap and rotor.
Or the cap and rotor.
05-05-2007, 06:02 PM
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so then wtf cuz i had the plugsand everything in correct according to the helms manual and the motor wouldnt start i called the machine shop up and he said to change them to 1243 thats the correct firing order so i did that it the motor started but runs like **** wats up wit that ?
05-05-2007, 06:12 PM
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Re: (mtownsi)
If it sounds like it's backfiring or popping they're in the wrong order.
23
14 - That's the order on the cap
If you're looking at your motor with your knees on the front bumper match those numbers with the cylinders in this order.
4 3 2 1
That's the correct order.
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14 - That's the order on the cap
If you're looking at your motor with your knees on the front bumper match those numbers with the cylinders in this order.
4 3 2 1
That's the correct order.
05-05-2007, 06:23 PM
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Re: rebuilt motor i think machine shop screwed me over (ek forever guy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Or the cap and rotor.</TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL how the hell do you ***** up a cap and rotor? it all goes on only one way! BTW firing order is 1-3-4-2
Or the cap and rotor.</TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL how the hell do you ***** up a cap and rotor? it all goes on only one way! BTW firing order is 1-3-4-2
05-05-2007, 06:25 PM
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Re: rebuilt motor i think machine shop screwed me over (oneludesol)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oneludesol »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
LOL how the hell do you ***** up a cap and rotor? it all goes on only one way!</TD></TR></TABLE>
You'd be surprised the crap that comes into this forum.
Back on topic,
OP, did you try it in the firing order i posted?
LOL how the hell do you ***** up a cap and rotor? it all goes on only one way!</TD></TR></TABLE>
You'd be surprised the crap that comes into this forum.
Back on topic,
OP, did you try it in the firing order i posted?
05-06-2007, 02:40 PM
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Re: (oneludesol)
yoo that didnt work either the only firing order that woks is 1243. i did urs the 1342 and it didnt make a very good sound kinda likea harsh *** cough. so yea the only firing that worked is 1243 but it runs like ****.
05-06-2007, 03:18 PM
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Re: (mtownsi)
I didn't list the firing order, I listed the number matching he should use to get the plugs in the right place.
That's how it is in my brother's gsr, runs like a champ.
That's how it is in my brother's gsr, runs like a champ.
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firing order is 1342 on honda engine, and the spark plug wire on the cap should follow the same regardless of where it start. just crank the engine to tdc and take off the cap, you should find where the rotor point to is the first spark plug wire you should put it in. just follow the order 1342 then you should be good. if that doesnt start, your cam timing should be off a teeth or two.
05-06-2007, 03:35 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mtownsi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yoo that didnt work either the only firing order that woks is 1243. i did urs the 1342 and it didnt make a very good sound kinda likea harsh *** cough. so yea the only firing that worked is 1243 but it runs like ****.
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Essentially 1243 and 1342 are the same plug positions, it's just how you look at the rotation direction. But with respect to firing order, 1342 is correct because the dizzy rotor spins clockwise.
Thusly:
(2nd) 3 4 (3rd)
(1st) 1 2 (4th)
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Essentially 1243 and 1342 are the same plug positions, it's just how you look at the rotation direction. But with respect to firing order, 1342 is correct because the dizzy rotor spins clockwise.
Thusly:
(2nd) 3 4 (3rd)
(1st) 1 2 (4th)
05-06-2007, 03:43 PM
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i just think he should just take his car to someone who know what is going on to fix it, since he doesnt seem to be very familiar with engine work. honda is not a difficult car to work on, i would assume any mechanic shop will do it without any problem.
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Re: (Blk00EJ8)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Blk00EJ8 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Essentially 1243 and 1342 are the same plug positions, it's just how you look at the rotation direction. But with respect to firing order, 1342 is correct because the dizzy rotor spins clockwise.
Thusly:
(2nd) 3 4 (3rd)
(1st) 1 2 (4th)</TD></TR></TABLE>
very good point. just becoz we know doesnt mean other ppl have to be on the same page.
Essentially 1243 and 1342 are the same plug positions, it's just how you look at the rotation direction. But with respect to firing order, 1342 is correct because the dizzy rotor spins clockwise.
Thusly:
(2nd) 3 4 (3rd)
(1st) 1 2 (4th)</TD></TR></TABLE>
very good point. just becoz we know doesnt mean other ppl have to be on the same page.