JuniorDDavis

Hi, I have a question regarding orange spark at the spark plug wires.

I did a bone head move and removed the plug wires while the car was running.
She wouldn't start up. So I bought a new coil due to the fact I didn't have spark at the plugs after pulling it while driving.

So I now have spark with the new coil. I tried to start the car up and there was a really loud back fire.

Now all she does is crank and putt putt like she wants to start up.

I'm getting spark but it's an orange arch when I test it on a ground like the valve cover ground.

Is this the ICM? I have a new cap. Not a new rotor since I can't get that screw out lol. The rotor looked like it could be replaced but the car ran(Felt like it was running on 2-3 cylinders that's why I tried the bone head test) before I pulled the wires while it was running.

I could use new plug wires. But does that cause the orange spark?

It's a 95 DX hatch.

Thank you.

Former User

It's usually a bad coil. But check the resistance of the coil before you replace it.

JuniorDDavis

Brand new BWD coil.

JuniorDDavis

If I just change the distributor would that fix it?

I heard its possible to fry the ecu like this.

Can anyone confirm that? Or is it just the dizzy.

Thanks.
Jr

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

So? Check the coil as advised.

green93hatch

might want to check you firing order also the rotor might be throwing a week ark

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

On my car I know it's my rotor because I couldn't get it off when I did my last tune up.

green93hatch

i had the same issue on my hatch with the rotor used a left handed drill bit took some time but it worked

D16SiHatch

impact driver ftw.

my issue was the rotor was seized to the distributor shaft. i had to "carefully" remove it with an angle grinder -_- lol

JuniorDDavis

I'm just gonna grab a new dizzy and be done with it.

Does anyone happen to know if the ecu could get fried by pulling the plugs like that?

A new dizzy should fix the problem correct?

Thanks

JuniorDDavis

Bump. Picking up a new dizzy. Does anyone know if the ecu could be effected by ripping plugs out while its running?

thanks.

Former User

Did you test the coil? Have you taken the igniter unit to an auto parts store for testing?

green93hatch

pulling a plug wire while its running shouldnt fry the ecu if you are getting fire to the wires chances are there is nothing wrong with your distributor when my distributor went out i had nothing no fire no nothing i would try getting the rotor off first spend a few bucks for a new one see what happens instead of spending almost 2 hun on a new distributor

JuniorDDavis

See that was the issue. I couldn't get the rotor off that bolt was seized. I moved to Maine and have barely any tools up here and dont know anyone to help out haha. So I bought a new dizzy, rotor, and plug wires. 200 for all of it. I'll update you guys when the battery is done charging.

I tried to start with the battery kinda dead and got some back fire.

Is the back fire normal? Is it just excess fuel?

JuniorDDavis

So New Plug wires, Dizzy, Rotor, And cap.

She still wont crank over. I charged my battery for like 6 hours (Since it's a 1 amp trickle).

While I crank the car over the starter is whining and doesn't seem like she wants to roll over.

I think the spark plugs are probably soaked.

Do you just change the plugs to fix the engine if it's flooded?

Texas4door

Off topic: my solution to the stripped out screw: a Torx bit head screw instead of a Phillips plus a smidge of anti-seize on the threads
Hard to mess THAT up
^^;

On topic: Do you know FOR A FACT you're getting fuel?

JuniorDDavis

The car was running before I pulled the plugs.

I hear the fuel pump prime no problem. Maybe it's time for a new filter? I hold down the gas pedal and it seems to want to start more..

But I'm also afraid I'm flooding it.

I'm off to get spark plugs and a fuel filter.

grumblemarc

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Did we ever take care of the orange spark? I didn't bother to read the last few posts because it doesn't look like you're taking any advice. Did you do any of the following?

vitamin_c95

go to advance and buy the windshield wiper puller. This fit perfectly. I never have that problem anymore

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

Good looking out!

vitamin_c95

discovered it by accident. I could not get the farking thing off. Then a found my lonely used only one time for its intended purpose wiper puller and voila it fit like a glove.

JuniorDDavis

See that's the issue; Had you read the last few post you would of noticed I said I got a new distributor plug wire and rotor and cap and plugs and etc and.

So here maybe if you read this you can help me out.

I do have normal spark now. I also pulled my old plugs and they looked black and smelled of complete fuel.

So I changed them out for ngk's that I assume are pre-gapped lol.

She wants to start. But I started to get black smoke. She just wont turn over. So I assumed at this point it was timing and or maybe fuel.

So I took a couple pictures of the cam timing and the rotor timing. This is what it looked like before I rotated the crank so that the up is pointing up(This is how I was told to set the timing on the cam to tdc?"

So here's my cam marking. The black line indicates the "Up" mark. So I assumed this meant that it was off. I rotated the crank with a socket till the mark was up. Here is the before picture.


While it was pointing down. I also took a picture of my rotor position. Does this look normal? I thought the rotor was to point at the #1 Spark plug hole on the dizzy cap. So that's how it looks while the crank was not pointing up


This is how the rotor looked AFTER I turned the crank to point the marking up.


After I rotated it I tried to start it but just got black smoke. I took off the intake and covered the TB with a cloth to choke her and she was so close to starting up just wouldn't start.

Is my timing off? Am I even doing it right. I know you need a timing gun but how can I set the timing to at least get the car starting?

After all this I pulled the new plugs and they smelled of gas and looked black. I left the plugs out of the car along with the wire to let the gas evap from the chambers. When I pulled a plug black smoke came out of the hole lol.

Is this timing or just too much excess fuel. Should I unplug the injectors and try to start the car to burn out that fuel?

Texas4door

Black smoke came out of the spark plug hole?! oO
I think you should just stop guessing and tow it to someone who knows what they're doing, man
No offense, just don't wanna see a Honda motor blown up


However....I DO wonder if you possibly if your distributor back on 180* off, causing things to run like crap
It's an aftermarket dizzy, right?
On the OEM ones, there's supposed to be an offset slot on the dizzy shaft that connects up to the camshaft to keep you from accidentally putting it on 180* off....but idk if all aftermarket ones have that offset slot, meaning you could put it on "upside down" so to speak and it'd all fit, but obviously not run right...
Flip the dizzy around and try it if it'll fit!

Nvm, after double checking, it looks to be pointing at the right cylinder after all
XP

I have no idea unless you got a bad ignition coil with that dizzy

JuniorDDavis

Nah man I am about to tow it. It's just becoming a head ache. No one really can verify how the timing and dizzy rotor are supposed to be.

And i'm 100% sure that the engine is now flooding out to the point the gas is getting into the crank case. I dont know how to remove all the fuel from the chambers. I heard 2 teaspoons of ATF to clear the chambers.

And yeah she's smoking when I start her up. From the plug holes so I don't know whats going on. I even tried unplugging the injectors and running it without any fuel being pumped.

But i'm about to just have it towed.

It's so bad that the starter is having issues turning over the engine. I can hear it whine like it's getting caught on something.

Texas4door

Eeesh
XP

Good luck man!
Hopefully it's something silly and simple!

FYI: best way to unflood the cylinders is to take the spark plugs out and let it sit for a while/overnight to let the fuel evaporate
^^;;